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wow you really have no clue.

Not only will freighter prices drop from lower demand, but if mineral prices also drop, freighter prices will suffer again because their mineral cost is the only thing keeping them up at this point. You just said yourself, they used to be cheaper. You have to bulk build them at a POS to get any decent margin out of them.

And seeing as the people making freighters in hi-sec are not the same people making carriers and dreads in low sec, then no, there wont be room to make profit there, its a very different industry.

There was plenty of ways already to haul and mine very safely and earn isk. Making the game even safer than now chips away at the margins of industrialists and overwhelmingly favours the dumb and lazy.

If mineral prices drop your costs to BUILD drop. How is that not proven? Then, and IF it happens, the volume demand for freighters drops (which I think it will about 10+%) prices will fall but your cost to build will have too. So yeah, you will have to bulk build to get profit, I get that. But that is always how freighters were. Look at it this way too. Maybe demand will go up because freighters are safer. As more people start hauling again because they don't worry about gankers! Ever think of that one?

You say it favors the dumb and lazy. I say it favors the players looking to branch out (cheaper ship prices and price of entry) and helps the economy as goods get moved more. Places like Derelik may see goods moved out there as people can move them a tad safer from Jita etc. Demand goes up. You are completely neglecting that possibility.

Plus too...whine more.

Diversify! Make cap ships. Sell your BPOs and build something else. I have had to change my industry tactics before. I didn't cry and whine all over the EVE-O Forums. Adapt. I get what you are saying although I think you are focusing on one tiny segment that MAY drop. Change your play. Move to null. Make even more profit and (heaven forbid) friends there. Build freighters there for more profit margin (because the minerals are amazing and the stations have lower costs) and then import with FRIENDS helping you move them. Quit solo playing at a POS in hi-sec. CCP made all these industry building changes months ago to move people out of hi-sec on purpose so that it WAS hard to make a profit building there.

Again, hi-sec mining and moving have nothing to do with your desire for completely safe and cheap profit margins in hi-sec freighter building. Build them in null or low and quit crying as I just gave you your solution.

I said solo play referring to newbs. You are obviously not a newb my point!! Plus you never even addressed the fact that I called you out on your lack of proof for how you work in null or low. Instead I referenced your point about working solo at a pos in hi-sec churning out freighters.

As to your point about freighters being in the thousands...great. There are that many people doing it. Who is to say (CCP does) without numbers what is healthy and what is not; you say it like it is a bad thing. Maybe it is low. Where is your data on the backend servers to prove your point.

Again, CCP has said this is a balance between the wolves and prey. Your point about building might be an unintended consequence. Why can't we just talk about the outliers and theory craft instead of everyone here having to scream about how upset they are and how hard CCP is butt-hurting them.

I get it, I used to do the same thing. But that is not what these forums are for. ISD's delete pages of this sort of banter especially when it turns to name calling and has no substance because the DEVs want to get people's thoughts about the changes...not their tears and hearsay.

Ms Mich

P.S. Ylmar - LOL Nice. I will match you and donate 12 plex to the next donation drive is Kaarous and his alts unsub. :)

@ Ms Michigan

I never said i work solo, or in low or null. I dont know what you're talking about in that regard. I said, you have to bulk build them from a POS to get any decent margin out of them and that the capital industry is in low/null.

You've mistaken my replies to you as pleas to CCP to not go through with the change. I did that twenty or so pages ago. My replies to you were to debunk your posts and educate you. And of course ask why you think bad haulers should benefit at the expense of good haulers.

I have removed some off-topic, troll, and personal attack posts and those quoting them.

More freightors make it to market = more supply to markets. More supply = cheaper ships.

Cheaper ships = more people can afford to use more ships in pvp = more explosions.

More freightors make to to market = greator profits for corps. If corps are pvp corps that SRP then corp can afford to replace members PvP losses. More corp funds = more content for members = members enjoy eve more and dont unsub.

Sounds horrible.

It's not unhealthy for the economy. At the very worst prices will drop and a few people will move to something else and the prices will balance out once supply drops enough.

Consider the battleship build prices change. This is nowhere close to as big an economic hitting change as that, and the economy survived.

Of course you don't.

I say this not to be insulting, but I don't view your side as being capable of intellectual honesty. Had CCP done something equally as punitive to say, mission runners, you would be up in arms.

To put it succinctly, I think you are all hypocrites.




And you're wrong. Before the insurance nerf, for example, suicide ganking was far, far more prevalent. Anyone who ganked at the time will tell you the same thing.

For crying out loud, you used to be able to gank in fully fit Battleships and turn a profit, something that is impossible today.




Why? I already told you where it is, go and find it yourself. You'll benefit far more from perusing it yourself than if I quote one individual section or other.

Horse to water, I swear.

EVE Online itself was founded on player freedom.

So you're full of it.




No.

EVE Online is a PvP game, and PvP belongs everywhere. Not just isolated where it won't bother you.

Or at least that was true. If CCP has forgotten the lessons of Ultima Online and is trying to chase purely theoretical casual players by slapping Trammel onto highsec, well... they'll see just how well that works eventually.

I don't care either way, they'll already irrevocably alienated me, and I'll be taking my business elsewhere. I had a lot of subs seeing as I was a fairly prolific awoxer, two of which actively unsubbed the moment I read Fozzie's comment about this meaning nothing more than wildlife management to him(seriously, way to spit on your customers bro), and the others will not be plexing their accounts this month.

I agree it seems odd to give freighters a hull hp buff because you are changing a module they could never even use.

I think the problem for freighter pilots is really how hard it is to avoid Niarja or Uedama if you want to go between the largest trade hubs. Its like all the fish in the ocean need to pass through this tiny stream so its a bit too easy for the fishermen.

CCP should make more routes between the high sec trade hubs and then it might not be such a problem.