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Hecate: Recon/Cargo Blitz
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1 - 2016-02-12 13:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
This is a fit I just started using for blitzing Recon 1-3 and Cargo missions (credit for the majority of the fit goes to Zhilia Mann). Not super expensive and you can also use it for running LP loot to your favorite trade hub as it aligns instantaneously. Enjoy!

Hecate Tactical Destroyer
Set to Propulsion mode.

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
2x Medium Shield Extender II
EM War Amplifier II

4x Inertial Stabilizers II

1x Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
2x Small Hyperspacial Velocity Optimizer II

It aligns/warps in under a server tick, and with full skills and Ascendancy implants does 11.10 AU/s. It has enough tank to withstand the new NPC spawns in Cargo as well as the toxic environment in Recon 3/3. You also only need Gallente Tactical Destroyer I trained to make it work, so it's fairly low in terms of skill requirements.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#2 - 2016-02-12 14:41:27 UTC
I'll continue to use my Garmur. While travel time to mission site is less, the 6600m/s speed I get from it breezes through the Recon missions better.

[Garmur, point]

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II

TE-2100 Ample Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
TE-2100 Ample Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
TE-2100 Ample Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II


Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-605
Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-705
Zainou 'Gypsy' Long Range Targeting LT-805
Zainou 'Snapshot' Light Missiles LM-905
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#3 - 2016-02-12 15:19:36 UTC
Mission completion time is probably comparable.

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Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#4 - 2016-02-12 20:03:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ploing
see no benefit to do cargo and recon in a hecate. a hyperspatial rigged dram does 12 au without implants and does also recon 3/3.

and your warpout time is still 2 sec.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2016-02-12 20:12:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Ploing wrote:
see no benefit to do cargo and recon in a hecate. a hyperspatial rigged dram does 12 au without implants and does also recon 3/3. and your warpout time is also 2 sec.

A Dramiel is going to run around the same price, no? The Hecate has more EHP and with a faster align and considerable cargo also doubles for transporting LP goods.

If a Dramiel, Garmur (etc.) work best - by all means utilize it. This is merely al alternative that most don't consider.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#6 - 2016-02-12 20:28:35 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Ploing wrote:
see no benefit to do cargo and recon in a hecate. a hyperspatial rigged dram does 12 au without implants and does also recon 3/3. and your warpout time is also 2 sec.

A Dramiel is going to run around the same price, no? The Hecate has more EHP and with a faster align and considerable cargo also doubles for transporting LP goods.

If a Dramiel, Garmur (etc.) work best - by all means utilize it. This is merely al alternative that most don't consider.


Actually, the Hecate does not have more EHP. My Garmur fit has 12.3K EHP, your Hecate fit has 9.96K EHP. A comparable Dram fit can get about the same EHP as the Hecate; but warp faster, MWD faster, and align about the same.
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#7 - 2016-02-12 20:38:36 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:

A Dramiel is going to run around the same price, no? The Hecate has more EHP and with a faster align and considerable cargo also doubles for transporting LP goods.

If a Dramiel, Garmur (etc.) work best - by all means utilize it. This is merely al alternative that most don't consider.


no dram has not the same pricetag, it´s currently 12 mil. cheaper. Big smile
the ehp means nothing as it can do recon 3/3 and the cargo spawn easily.

with an aligntime of 1 sec u warp out at 2 sec. so get a full rack of hyperspatials and 2/3 cargoexpander.

for reference

[Dramiel]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
5MN Microwarpdrive II
EM Ward Amplifier II

150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S
[empty high slot]

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Warrior II x3


and arthur please post fits in eft format.

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#8 - 2016-02-12 20:50:14 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Actually, the Hecate does not have more EHP. My Garmur fit has 12.3K EHP, your Hecate fit has 9.96K EHP. A comparable Dram fit can get about the same EHP as the Hecate; but warp faster, MWD faster, and align about the same.

When dropped into Defensive mode, the EHP goes up significantly. And if I ran the same adaptive invulnerability (assuming we're comparing apples to apples), the Hecate would have even more EHP. I opted for a passive fit to keep it simple and because I didnt't need more than the base EHP for the tasks at hand. The Hecate also has drastically more cargo space. While this isn't a requirement for any of the missions, it does come in handy for transporting LP and other goods (that was the other use) as it will hands down defeat all insta-lock attempts.

I'm sure if one persisted one could find even more reasons not to use the Hecate (longer skill training time, cost of skillbooks, etc.) I just thought it was an interesting alternative as it allowed me to combine two ships into a single role. If you come up with a better fit or an even more ideal ship.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#9 - 2016-02-12 20:54:33 UTC
Ploing wrote:
no dram has not the same pricetag, it´s currently 12 mil. cheaper. Big smile
the ehp means nothing as it can do recon 3/3 and the cargo spawn easily.
and arthur please post fits in eft format.

Well, I did say 'around' the same price. Sorry, it never ocurred to list the fits so they could be imported - I'll endeavour to do that in the future.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#10 - 2016-02-12 21:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ploing
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
The Hecate also has drastically more cargo space. While this isn't a requirement for any of the missions, it does come in handy for transporting LP and other goods (that was the other use) as it will hands down defeat all insta-lock attempts.

I'm sure if one persisted one could find even more reasons not to use the Hecate (longer skill training time, cost of skillbooks, etc.) I just thought it was an interesting alternative as it allowed me to combine two ships into a single role. If you come up with a better fit or an even more ideal ship.


in this case you are right, but its not the ideal ship for recon/cargo. and if it come to cargo things try this variant.

[Hecate, Jita Trader]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

5MN Microwarpdrive II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Improved Cloaking Device II

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

you get still the same warpouttime and could run 3 rd cargohold
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#11 - 2016-02-12 21:06:05 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:

Well, I did say 'around' the same price. Sorry, it never ocurred to list the fits so they could be imported - I'll endeavour to do that in the future.


no prob
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#12 - 2016-02-12 22:11:06 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Actually, the Hecate does not have more EHP. My Garmur fit has 12.3K EHP, your Hecate fit has 9.96K EHP. A comparable Dram fit can get about the same EHP as the Hecate; but warp faster, MWD faster, and align about the same.

When dropped into Defensive mode, the EHP goes up significantly. And if I ran the same adaptive invulnerability (assuming we're comparing apples to apples), the Hecate would have even more EHP. I opted for a passive fit to keep it simple and because I didnt't need more than the base EHP for the tasks at hand. The Hecate also has drastically more cargo space. While this isn't a requirement for any of the missions, it does come in handy for transporting LP and other goods (that was the other use) as it will hands down defeat all insta-lock attempts.

I'm sure if one persisted one could find even more reasons not to use the Hecate (longer skill training time, cost of skillbooks, etc.) I just thought it was an interesting alternative as it allowed me to combine two ships into a single role. If you come up with a better fit or an even more ideal ship.


If you are in defensive mode, then your speed drops down to 1572m/s. Meaning you might very well be dead by the time you get to the gate in Recon 3/3.
Imalia Bloodlines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-02-12 22:43:00 UTC
You guys realize you just need mwd with no other modules on garmur/daredevil w/e for both missions? They can take half your shield off thats it. In cargo delivery they have no time to attack even
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#14 - 2016-02-13 02:37:14 UTC
If your talking cargo not recon mission as arthur brought up, how does this compare with my heron? has it got the 500m3 cargo space to do a lev 2 courier mission? I don't think you can argue "def mode" as pretty much by usage your just going to sit in prop mode 24/7. Also invul fields are bad if your transporting as they dont help v Alphas. You need amps.

Will gank for food
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2016-02-13 02:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Tarojan wrote:
If your talking cargo not recon mission as arthur brought up, how does this compare with my heron? has it got the 500m3 cargo space to do a lev 2 courier mission? I don't think you can argue "def mode" as pretty much by usage your just going to sit in prop mode 24/7. Also invul fields are bad if your transporting as they dont help v Alphas. You need amps.

Does your Heron align in 1s? The Hecate has 450 m3 base cargo space, so I suspect that yes - it would work for a L2 courier mission (you'd just need to drop one inertial stabilizer for a cargohold expansion).

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#16 - 2016-02-13 03:14:31 UTC
First of all, I more or less stole the Hecate idea from r/eve. I can't seem to find the thread or I'd link it; it was a conversation between jestertrek and someone I don't know. So credit goes to anonymous redditor and jestertrek.

Second: the changes you made mean the damn ship doesn't get out in a single tick. It really does require 2x istab 2s, 2x shadow istabs, 1 low friction nozzle joint (can be T1), and an EM-705 or nomad equivalent. It's not an insignificant barrier to get into.

The original fit I posted had 2 cargohold optimization 2s, which is overkill. With one you get over 500m^3 for L2 couriers if you so choose. That would leave room for a single hyperspatial velocity optimizer and a full head of ascendencies while maintaining the single tick warp followed by a 9.12 AU/s trip. So.. yeah, pretty slick. Pretty expensive though.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#17 - 2016-02-13 03:38:00 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
First of all, I more or less stole the Hecate idea from r/eve. I can't seem to find the thread or I'd link it; it was a conversation between jestertrek and someone I don't know. So credit goes to anonymous redditor and jestertrek.

Second: the changes you made mean the damn ship doesn't get out in a single tick. It really does require 2x istab 2s, 2x shadow istabs, 1 low friction nozzle joint (can be T1), and an EM-705 or nomad equivalent. It's not an insignificant barrier to get into.

The original fit I posted had 2 cargohold optimization 2s, which is overkill. With one you get over 500m^3 for L2 couriers if you so choose. That would leave room for a single hyperspatial velocity optimizer and a full head of ascendencies while maintaining the single tick warp followed by a 9.12 AU/s trip. So.. yeah, pretty slick. Pretty expensive though.

Fair points. In reality, the difference is so negligible that for what I'm using it for I'm not entirely sure it will ever come into play. In low-sec - probably a different story.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#18 - 2016-02-15 18:55:56 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
First of all, I more or less stole the Hecate idea from r/eve. I can't seem to find the thread or I'd link it; it was a conversation between jestertrek and someone I don't know. So credit goes to anonymous redditor and jestertrek.

Second: the changes you made mean the damn ship doesn't get out in a single tick. It really does require 2x istab 2s, 2x shadow istabs, 1 low friction nozzle joint (can be T1), and an EM-705 or nomad equivalent. It's not an insignificant barrier to get into.

The original fit I posted had 2 cargohold optimization 2s, which is overkill. With one you get over 500m^3 for L2 couriers if you so choose. That would leave room for a single hyperspatial velocity optimizer and a full head of ascendencies while maintaining the single tick warp followed by a 9.12 AU/s trip. So.. yeah, pretty slick. Pretty expensive though.

Fair points. In reality, the difference is so negligible that for what I'm using it for I'm not entirely sure it will ever come into play. In low-sec - probably a different story.


but the original idea was to warp inside 1 tick. this fit just warps off in 2 sec. still fast but that can archieve every ship with an align time under 2 sec.

the original built has the ability.