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My Loyalonan jamming Blackbird on it 1st outing
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Jade Vemane
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2016-02-13 06:38:11 UTC
Ozzie's suicide squad or OSS

Tora did start the chat about it, what about TOSS

BTW I'm an alt sign me up, this might be interesting
Tora Bushido
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#22 - 2016-02-13 10:16:35 UTC
OMG, we created a monster Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Avi Shekelstien
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-02-13 19:51:48 UTC
Ozzie Udan wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
It doesn't work Tora.

1) They have to dedicate a character to do it. And we take very careful note of the characters who do it since recycling that kind of character, once they become criminals, is "not cool."
2) We might lose a few gankers to CONCORD right away but the bulk of the fleet will carry on as normal.

To answer the other question. If you stay away from the ball of catalysts that land on the freighter we don't really care what you are doing. 10km is a good minimum safe distance.

Ozzie is a fanboi now. He's passed the newbro hazing and hasn't done anything effective to warrant corrective action. I mean we still sit him at the kid's table in Uedama but he's practically family.

nomad Oz P


Thinking about it I like this plan, please make an alt in Uedama ready to attack bumpers, if all we do is call concord so be it, and once we are all - 10 we fly as code fly, one day we might even kill a bumper our selfs

Might make a Corp for this, any names come to mind let me know

Good idea! Gank and pod a few bumpers and see if you can live at -10 like we do.
Nitshe Razvedka
#24 - 2016-02-14 05:42:43 UTC

What you CODE hoes doin here?

Your Pimp James catches yo here an not on the streets selling, he be beating yo assss, he OWNES you!!!!!!!


Now go make da MAN rich bittchArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrow


Don't you be complainin yo get nuttin but aides n a sore but, yo part of HIS possie girl................Roll

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-02-14 10:40:22 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:

What you CODE hoes doin here?

Your Pimp James catches yo here an not on the streets selling, he be beating yo assss, he OWNES you!!!!!!!


Now go make da MAN rich bittchArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrow


Don't you be complainin yo get nuttin but aides n a sore but, yo part of HIS possie girl................Roll

...and this is the reason why Nancy Reagan said "No to drugs."
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#26 - 2016-02-14 11:07:39 UTC
Tora I am fascinated, prove to me that you can gank a bumper, just go and do it and show how great Marmite is and how fail AG's types are.

You know you can do it...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Tora Bushido
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#27 - 2016-02-14 11:45:54 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Tora I am fascinated, prove to me that you can gank a bumper, just go and do it and show how great Marmite is and how fail AG's types are.

You know you can do it...
I would like to start by calling your forum replies fail. Proof to me you have brains.Blink

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

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Nitshe Razvedka
#28 - 2016-02-14 12:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:

What you CODE hoes doin here?

Your Pimp James catches yo here an not on the streets selling, he be beating yo assss, he OWNES you!!!!!!!


Now go make da MAN rich bittchArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrowArrow


Don't you be complainin yo get nuttin but aides n a sore but, yo part of HIS possie girl................Roll

...and this is the reason why Nancy Reagan said "No to drugs."


Nancy was a hoe n Ronald was a poof.

Jane Wyman divorced Ronald Reagan in 1947 because of his homosexuality. Reagan had an affair with Randolph Scott in 1939. Reagan only got it up for a woman in a raping situation. Ronald Reagan raped a woman name Selene Walters in 1952 (See interview with Selene Walters in April 29, 1991, issue of People Magazine).
Nancy Reagan was a whore in Hollywood during the 1940's and known for her oral sex skills (Read the book by Kitty Kelly on Nancy Reagan). In 1947, actors Robert Walker and Peter Lawford pulled a gang bang on Nancy Reagan, then Nancy Davis, in the back seat of a car (Read the book, "The Peter Lawford Story" by Christine Lawford.

The first Lady in the USA is no bench mark of propriety. Nor is the Pres.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#29 - 2016-02-14 13:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Tora Bushido wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Tora I am fascinated, prove to me that you can gank a bumper, just go and do it and show how great Marmite is and how fail AG's types are.

You know you can do it...
I would like to start by calling your forum replies fail. Proof to me you have brains.Blink


Tora,

You talked about how easy it is to gank bumpers, so lets see you match your words with effort, Yes I am fail, but are you?

Tora Bushido wrote:
Ozzie Udan wrote:
Or both char attack the bumper , what is concords response 3 Ships per attacker, think I read that some where
Yeh, but then the bumper gets a kill right on you. If you do it my way, you have one on yourself. So no big deal Pirate And if its numbers, then just have a few guys doing it. It should not be easy or ganking would become boring and AG OP, but if you work hard for it, you should be able to counter it.

Ganking and AG should both be hard work .... result, profit or victory !

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-02-14 18:00:16 UTC
I've never tried an anti-gank, but here is what I was thinking.

You can fit 3 large smart bombs on a maller (if I remember correctly). I think that's a 10k range which should be sufficient.

If you dueled a freighter you were escorting, you could try to hug it on the trip. Likelihood of getting yourself concorded if you activate I s high... But a ball of catalysis wouldn't enjoy smart bombs and you wouldn't start pulsing until the freighter is in trouble.

I'm just spitballing here, would this work? Range-wise, would it make more sense to use mediums?

I bet it would be a fun read no matter how it played out.
Symphony-Angel
New Eden Police Force
United Caldari Space Command.
#31 - 2016-02-15 00:22:11 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
I've never tried an anti-gank, but here is what I was thinking.

You can fit 3 large smart bombs on a maller (if I remember correctly). I think that's a 10k range which should be sufficient.

If you dueled a freighter you were escorting, you could try to hug it on the trip. Likelihood of getting yourself concorded if you activate I s high... But a ball of catalysis wouldn't enjoy smart bombs and you wouldn't start pulsing until the freighter is in trouble.

I'm just spitballing here, would this work? Range-wise, would it make more sense to use mediums?

I bet it would be a fun read no matter how it played out.


I used a maller with med smart bombs, I was lucky to be in the warp in spot of the gank fleet or just behind, the freighter was out of my range, the fleet had non flashies in so I waited until they opened fire, only got off two rounds with my bombs as the bump ship headed my way, AG had a lot of ships that night but my bombs got on 9 cata kills doing 10% damage or just over and some pods too,

The gank failed haha with the hull at 25% which AG repped back up and went on its way

I was lucky not to get concorded but then me watching for this cut my damage down, then did my 10% to 9 cata change things that much, does the damage you do before concord arrive add to the speed the gankers die

When all said and done despite minerbumbing claims AG won and code Failed

It did look very cool as my bombs went off I must say with cata's popping around me
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2016-02-15 00:55:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ozzie Udan
A CODE. Fail never........... well done to all on that night,

Saturday evening got very hot with a lot of freighter loss in Uedama, I was around for one fail gank and we stop them taking the loot from one drop for a long time, they even sent a gank fleet to kill us

One guy upon seeing the cata fleet warp in said " guess this one's for us good luck all" several AG Ships went down but we still had their loot freighter locked and bumped, later they found a 2nd freighter pilot with balls this time who got the loot from right under our nose. Still not sure how he did that but we made them work for what ever was in the loot.

A great evening of gaming experience for sure,

Next time think I'll try remote rep and see how that pans out

A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head A painting of me

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#33 - 2016-02-15 01:34:52 UTC
Ozzie Udan wrote:
A CODE. Fail never........... well done to all on that night,

Saturday evening got very hot with a lot of freighter loss in Uedama, I was around for one fail gank and we stop them taking the loot from one drop for a long time, they even sent a gank fleet to kill us

One guy upon seeing the cata fleet warp in said " guess this one's for us good luck all" several AG Ships went down but we still had their loot freighter locked and bumped, later they found a 2nd freighter pilot with balls this time who got the loot from right under our nose. Still not sure how he did that but we made them work for what ever was in the loot.

A great evening of gaming experience for sure,

Next time think I'll try remote rep and see how that pans out


take notes guys

this is how to emergent gameplay

@JerryTPepridge
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
Something Really Pretentious
#34 - 2016-02-15 04:35:49 UTC
Now isn't this precious Blink

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Tora Bushido
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#35 - 2016-02-15 13:46:16 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
You talked about how easy it is to gank bumpers, so lets see you match your words with effort, Yes I am fail, but are you?
I didnt say it was easy, I said it shouldn't be easy, it should be hard work. So if you put effort in something, you should be rewarded. That being ganking and anti-ganking, as I like them both. It's good Eve content.

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Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#36 - 2016-02-15 14:14:17 UTC
Nice to see AG starting to have some organization. Was just wondering would simple sacrificial tactics like ecm bursting ship or just spawning concord to the grid the moment you see gank fleet on grid help at all? Has anyone tried how well tracking disruption works also vs gank catalysts knowing their horribly low optimal range?
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2016-02-15 16:34:08 UTC
Ro Fenrios wrote:
Nice to see AG starting to have some organization. Was just wondering would simple sacrificial tactics like ecm bursting ship or just spawning concord to the grid the moment you see gank fleet on grid help at all? Has anyone tried how well tracking disruption works also vs gank catalysts knowing their horribly low optimal range?



We have to keep changing what we do as they keep changing, we start to pull Ships out of gank fleets after a gate jump, they wise up to this and start to counter it, we have lots of logistics on the field they then start to bump 2 or 3 freighters at once so we can cover all the targets

We smart bomb they use non criminal pilots, we ew they eccm, some of it is how their pilots fly not ship fitting or skills

Remember they are very good at what they do and have the advantage of numbers, we can stop a gank if we have got it right so they do the upmost to make sure we don't

It's all part of the dance that can last 10 to 15 mins as people try to be at the right spot at the right moment , then it's over in seconds

Don't get me wrong AG is hard work like the gank it's self must be, if you like it simple sit on the undock at Dodixe and kill pods Bear

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#38 - 2016-02-15 17:49:34 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
OMG, we created a monster Twisted

nah, just an idea that will last as long as the actual AG groups Cool

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Nofear Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#39 - 2016-02-15 21:54:13 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Like I said, I'm no expert here. Just saying that if you want to win, you should put effort in it first.. Nothing is free. Pirate


You are spot on about the effort - AG would probably only need to put half as much effort in as CODE to stop ganks (if they do it the right way) - big problem is that there is very little gain for AG, whereas lots of potential gain for CODE.

If there was a mechanism to do "escort" missions - an amount in escrow until the freighter successfully made it from point A to point B then AG might be a much more viable option....and make it worthwhile for AG.
And if it ever happens, then we will have CODE to thank for creating content ;-)

Alt and proud
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#40 - 2016-02-16 18:07:13 UTC
The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else.

You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship.


Disclaimer: This only works on the out gate when the freighter is trying to get into warp. If the freighter is on auto pilot approaching the gate (1) you can't save him (2) he's getting what he asked for.