Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of crap from this post and I don't really care. I think we can all agree ( the gankees ) that high sec suicide ganking has gotten out of hand. New players to eve cannot safely do anything in high sec without running into these players who are there only to stat pad their killboards and cause grief. Thats all fun but it's made an environment that is not friendly to new players entering a game as immersive as eve. With new games like Star Citizen, and space games becoming more popular I think eve needs to be more friendly to new players to keep the community growing. Players are losing trillions in isk with almost no way to retaliate against the players that are committing the high sec ganking. Quite frankly it's a broken system, and It needs to be fixed. I've always been a conservative person so I recommend you kill two birds with one stone and fix this ganking problem with another broken system, bounties.

What I'm recommending is that the bounty system is changed. Anyone that commits a high sec gank would have a bounty placed on them by the NPC of the region they committed the act. The bounty should be equal to 10% of the value of the ship they aggressed and could only be claimed by the corporation or alliance of the player that was ganked to prevent paying the person/people who committed the act. Additionally, the player that was ganked should have the option to increase the bounty at their own personal cost. Secondly I'm recommending that a new agent " Bounty Hunter " be added to the game and he would be able to give the location of any available player that has an active bounty on them for a price, and only be able to give the location of the gankers or players with bounties if they were in high sec space. I'm also recommending that the players that die with NPC bounties not be allowed to activate jump clones in the NPC region in which they committed the act of aggression for 1 hour after their death ( If they didnt have another clone a temporary clone would be actived for the 1 hour until they would be forced to choose a clone to jump to ).

Some players might be saying, well thats what the war dec system is for and sure, you can war dec these gankers and then what? Anyone that shows up with a fleet will be sitting outside station waiting to fight the cowards that wont undock to fight them. This suggestion isn't meant to be the end of high sec ganking in general but to give players a way to fight back and limit what is targeted for ganking. Regardless of the outcome I think you, CCP, have an obligation to your players to fix this. It's an exploited game mechanic and is costing you customers and ruining the community. This is a game we as a community love and I'm sure we all want to see it flourish and expand. Please guys feel free to add and expand upon this idea, also feel free to crap on this post. I like seeing you get so worked up.

Good. You're not supposed to be able to safely do anything anywhere in Eve.

1. No, we don't. As a mission runner/hauler/industrialist/marketeer in highsec, I'm quite in favor of ganking. I am aware of the ways to keep myself safe, and utilize each and every single one of them. Guess what, I'm nearly 100% safe.
2. Disregarding you insulting words ascribing motives to people you know nothing about, the rest of this line can be filed under "working as intended." Don't believe me? Read the New Player FAQ.
3. So? EvE exists to fill a niche in the gaming market. As long as it does that, it will thrive. When it stops doing that, i.e. by making the changes you suggest here, then it will fail.
4. You are incorrect. Your choice to not use the tools provided does not mean they do not exist.
5. No, what is broken is your belief that the system is broken. The system is fine, if you just play the game as intended.
6. Ah, yes. Let's look at this wonderful idea of your's.


So, you want to add NPC bounty to gankers? You apparently don't realize that this would have a net effect of zero. In fact, the gankers I know would like nothing more than for people to shoot at them more.

As for the clone jump idea, really? You apparently don't realize how rarely anyone bothers to shoot at gankers, even though most of them are already legal targets for all and sundry. Do you really think restricting them from operating in a particular empire's space would make a lick of difference when it doesn't really take long to get pretty much anywhere in highsec in a travel fit frigate?


Before you further libel the gankers, answer this question. When was the last time you undocked to overwhelming firepower? Sitting in station while a hostile fleet sits on the undock isn't cowardly, it's smart.


1. Repeat after me: One more nerf and it will be balanced.
2. First, it's not an exploit. CCP has stated this numerous times. Secondly, I require citation as to the fact that ganking is costing CCP customers. You assert this as a fact, provide numbers to prove it.
3. No, your idea would ruin the community. I happen to like the fact that I can lose everything if I make a mistake.
4. You don't want it to flourish and expand. You want to bring Trammel to EvE, and therefore kill the game like Trammel did to Ultima.

Sorry all for the wall of text.

Be glad the gankers are one part that keeps the economy running and force players to buy new ships and stuff.

-1

Suicide ganking of miners, at least of exhumers, is near an all time low in the history of the game according to CCP. After the latest freighter buff (and another one is coming in March), there are only 2-3 groups left that have the numbers to attack freighters and Red Frog manages to avoid even them with a 99.8%+ success rate. T2 haulers are near invincible in highsec when flown correctly, and after the last mining ship rebalancing, the Skiff/Procurer is nowhere near profitable to gank.

So no, I am not sure suicide ganking is "out of hand". If anything, suicide ganking is in the worst spot ever in the history of this 12-year old game.

It is trivial to protect yourself from the few gankers left in modern highsec. It is also trivial to explode criminals - they are -10 and free to shoot, and you have the support of the Faction Police which makes it impossible for them to win if you can catch them. Just put a point on them and the NPCs will do the rest for you.

If you choose not to spend the effort, or make the trade-offs necessary to keep yourself safe with the deck so heavily stacked in your favour, you have no one to blame but yourself for any losses.

So, -1.

Let's see.

Just one more nerf, think of the newbies, invoking scam citizen, ganking has no risk, impossible to retaliate against, NPCs doing players jobs, and a call for CCP to change the entire game to suit your personal whims.

I think we have a bad ideas bingo here.

Needs more Mittens, RMT and talk of the blue doughnut to go full Dinsdale though.

We can at least be thankful he hasn't pulled a Yige Shen on us.

I am sure you have some hard evidence for this and are willing to share it with us?

@OP - have you considered that the real problem might be you?



LOL.