EVE General Discussion

I might be blind or stupid or both but it seems to me that we are still paying subscription fees while at the same time micro (or in same cases macro) transactions are being pushed all over the place. I don't have anything against skins (hats :D ) but SP extracted and injected has already been paid and I don't see any sane reason why it should be paid again, especially at such a high price.

If the fantasy about helping new players was true (think how we make fun of new players who buy and lose expensive things) the extractors would be made in-game instead it's a money grab by CCP who's management has failed yet again with some far reaching and utterly unrealistic plans. At best it's an improvement on past "greed is good" days when changes in EVE were non-existent.

The following features are pay to win in eve:

1) Plexes ( allows you have a supply of isk only limited by your real life expendable income)
2) Multiple accounts( Allows you to create cyno alts, specialist alts, intel alts, or 40 miners and rorq pilot)
3) Multiple character training ( Allows you to skill up alts and your main at the same time giving you a significant advantage)
4) Skill injectors ( turns you from newb to pro-leet faster than you can say epipen.)


All of these things can be considered pay to win...except one tee-tiny little problem. Eve is not designed as a P2W game. While these may give you advantages, They are not going to put you in god mode. And people are still going to blow your stuff up and take your stuff and its still going to be based on actual player skill not how many iskies you got.

Honestly, players who dont have all these advantages tend to be better at the game because they are less careless as everything has more value to them. Tossing money at eve will always result in a loss of money. Someone will always be able to get the jump on you or outdo you and that person may very well be someone that just spends $15 a month and thats it.

Edit to add: If you want to see a true P2W game, jump on your phone, download "game of war" and observe. You will need to spend $100 a month just to survive in that game, and several hundred a month to be even close to top in your kingdom( and there are many kingdoms)

That game has a super high turnover rate, like all P2W games. It also has almost no entertainment value whatsoever and you spend all your time buying stuff and using it to progress a little further in the game. One little mistake and some bigger players stomps a mudhole in your back side and you have to rebuild everything which puts you even further behind. Unless you dump hundreds of more $$$ into the game for instant training.

That is P2W, Eve is no where close to P2W.

Probably more expensive reallife monuments and half-baked projects like World of Darkness and Dust 514.
Gunjack.
EVE Valkyrie.

EVE will have have to fund everything and thus we will see more cash grab features like skill trading.
I wouldn't be surprised if EVE goes F2P in the next months or years.

Insofar as the original question, and how it's framed within the context of the financial aspect of keeping a corporation alive, the actual features of EVE will appeal to some people and not to others. The ones they appeal to naturally will sub and stay. The nots will leave. The fact this issue exists is a wash as to how many customers EVE has. It has only to do with what sort of customers does EVE have.

Discussing this in terms of the greater picture of finance indicates if the direction CCP chooses is profitable to CCP, or not. It has nothing to do with whether it satisfies certain players' idea of what a great game is. A guy I worked with once remarked, "If we all liked the same thing you'd all be sleeping with my old lady." The fact is we as a customer base, or market (gamers) do not like the same things as a group.

It is up to a corporation trying to work within this market to select which "types" of customers it will try to appeal to. How it then goes about producing their product to meet the expectations of this group isn't actually measured in the gesticulations of vocal members of that market. It is in the end measured in terms of if the corporation continues to exist.

The financial statements presented, and the very existence of this forum demonstrates CCP does indeed continue to exist. The subject line here is "...what does the future hold?" It isn't "How does EVE differ to what I imagine is the perfect EVE?"


TL;DR (Get an attention span) Try to stay on subject.

I never know why people create these threads hoping for a game they play to struggle.

If this dumped 25,000-50,000 active logged-in users into the game - what would be the downside exactly? I'm still going to pay for my subscription - and I suspect the active majority will as well. It'll just provide everyone with a lot more content.

Considering that weather is actually a non-deterministic system that exhibits chaotic behavior, i.e. sensitivity to initial conditions, if you are correct, just stop right the **** now and do something productive like masturbate 5 times a day.

It has gotten so bad that players have had to buy CCP pizza, and the CEO has been forced to eat ram's head.

To be quite honest, I'd try that ****.

I've eaten balut, ******* google it.

I have eaten tripe, intestine, and even blood. It is the, dubious, benefit of living in Southern California where you can eat all sort of crazy ass ****.

Hell, I have eaten stinky tofu...twice! And yes, I'll eat it again.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Motherf***ers!

Edit:

**** Iceland and their weird food, I'll see their weird **** and double it!!! Bring it you bitches!

Edit II: Oh yeah, and chicken's feet, I've eaten that too.

Edit III: And seaweed, sea urchin, and a wide variety of raw fish eggs.