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Ha, no, they have CCP guarding them. Take a screenshot when you see a freighter flying with dps escort in highsec, you saw a true rarity.

Catalysts are paper before and after this change. They gain all of 562 EHP.



Not really, not at all. And the actual practical dps counter, rather than what AG uses, still works just fine. No I am not telling you what it is.

Obviously my friends in CODE will do well out of this change. We have the numbers, organisation, logistical backbone and professionalism to still effectively gank and with less competition ganking freighters will start to carry more. The last buff to freighters was a godsend to us, as we (internally) expected at the time.

We'll be able to afford to train more pilots, PLEX more accounts and pay for more Catalysts with the additional drops we get at the expense of other gankers.

It's however very bad for the future of the game.

What you are saying here to newer players is 'if you want to gank, you need to join CODE. or Miniluv or the Russian gankers'. And to people that want to stay independant, you are saying don't bother.



Competently piloted freighters with an adequate escort are almost unkillable already in highsec and lowsec, and DSTs and BRs are even harder to hit. We can only get the ones stupid enough not to scout AND that are unable to counter bumping.

Carriers are expensive ships (on par with freighters), exceptionally strong ships at their roles (again, similar to freighters), but they aren't balanced around how the most incompetent pilots use them. Freighters should be balanced similarly around the people that use them sensibly (with a scout and a combat escort), and they presently are.

Autopiloting a freighter through a 0.5 choke point should be seen as just as dumb a thing to do as ratting in a carrier in an anomaly in Rancer. You don't make carriers tougher because they die so easily in Rancer, so don't make freighters tougher because idiots lose them being idiots.

I'm not sure how many new players can leap in and start killing freighters now. It's really not a solo activity, it being a capital ship and that.

They aren't harder to kill due to EHP though, their EHP doesn't come into play if they avoid being picked as a target and/or avoid the bumper.

It still will be. More importantly, if they chose to buff all capital ships, they wouldn't exclude carriers because some people are ratting in rancer arguing that the entire ship class deserves to be punished.

Okay, make concord tankable, then we can have risk too as our aggression doesn't equate to ship loss.

Not in the slightest. Bulkhead mods are a percentage increase in hull HP, not a flat increase. Where current hull ehp is x, triple bulkheaded ehp is 1.25^3 x because percentage hull hp modifier isn't a stacking penalised stat. Fozzie's changes make hull ehp x / .67 (which is 1.5 x), or a triple bulkheaded freighter 1.25^3 x / .67. Under my suggestion, the new hull ehp would be .67 x / .67 = x and bulkheaded would be 1.25^3 * .67 x / .67 = 1.25^3 x.

In short, please review basic algebra.

For someone who's ragequitting, you certainly post an awful lot

EHP is considered so relevant by gankers that a large number of catalyst pilots created before the new starting skills do not even have hull upgrades or shield management injected and haven't trained a level of mechanics. Defenders could make it relevant, but... well...

AG is so incompetent that it's frankly embarrassing to everyone involved, they're like cartoon villains. They largely fly complete failfits (actual example: a curse with no neuts, no tracking disruptors, nothing but sebos and point; I am not aware that he has had any effect on a gank to date, but he sure is persistent) and can't even use correctly fitted ships properly. A number of them fly interceptors but I don't remember the last time we've been tackled at an undock bookmark or a ping, and one of the ganks we did the other day was discussed on comms for over half an hour before the gank, took us through five stargates, we had taloses with us and a grand total of one catalyst was pointed.

It's not our fault that only bad players try to save freighters.

(Don't get me wrong though, I'm not happy about the increase in EHP on untanked ships other than freighters either. Freighters are just the more drastic change that needs to be prevented.)

For your own sake better not bring real life into this. In real life, pirates, thieves and other asocial individuals are hunted down and locked away, their stolen assets siezed, if they threaten civilized society and the wellbeing of others, or simply because they disrupt commerce. In real life, there is absolutely nothing romantic or desirable about piracy and theft.

Maybe not, but it is a sign of what playstyles are being selected by players, and you have to ask yourself, why are no competent players chosing to be an AG?

Nobody quits EVE, we all know this. It's like crack.

A lot of amarr ships are cpu starved, and the various module changes seem to be a net gain in cpu required on most fits. Telling us to just remove our DCUs so that we have more cpu is pretty daft.

And then to add insult to injury eccm modules are getting better. A midslot module. A certain race of ships are classically midslot gimped.

And then the FW lp stores of that race's enemies are getting shiny stuff.

Thanks ofozzie.