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Will I find fun pvp in Eve?
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William Aiderone
The Carolean Army
#1 - 2016-02-14 13:54:18 UTC
So I've spent a few of months skilling up and farming ISK, learning pvp tactics etc. But the more I play the less excited I get. I'm basically wondering if eve really is a game for me.

All pvp I have seen so far, has been all about veterans in more expensive faction/T2 ships ganging up on lone new players in cheaper ships. I thought perhaps I could find somewhat balanced and fun pvp in FW by going into novice/small plexes, but all I get are veterans checking out what I fly, and then they bring counters to my ship and ofc 3-4 friends. I have no other choices but to warp out and get no LP/pvp, or fight a fight where I at most can bring down one other guy with me. To me thats not fun in any way tbh.

Is there really any fun pvp in eve to be found? Am I looking at the wrong places? (And by fun I mean, somewhat balanced, where you stand the risk of loosing and chance of winning). I'm not interested at all in joining a corp where you just gang up on ppl who stand no chance either. So far I think I have had one single fair/fun fight that was not 1v5, out of, idk 30-50 fights. So at the moment I'm spending countless hours grinding and having pretty much no fun pvp at all.
Big Lynx
#2 - 2016-02-14 13:58:56 UTC
your stuffz?
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-02-14 14:01:14 UTC
While fair fights do happen, to be real the majority of PVP in EVE is definitely like you described. Not so much the 'veterans', but in general eve PVP is pretty much about countering.

I disagree
Mark Hadden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-02-14 14:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Hadden
picking fights you can win and running from everything else is the most important skill in eve (small scale/solo) pvp.
Thats what you need to learn first, meaning a lot of lost ships in process. Once you figured it out, the success is rewarding as in no other game by far.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#5 - 2016-02-14 14:18:15 UTC
i just saw your kb and most of your deaths are 1v1 and not much enemy blobing, so i don't know what your op is on about. EVE is an MMORPG, your enjoyment will increase when you have friends to play/blob with. even a veteran will die if he is outnumbered.

my point is, this game is much enjoyed when playing with others, so find and join player corp.

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Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-02-14 14:25:47 UTC
whats the point of this post ? P

This is a sandbox game, where limited rules of engagement apply, when it concerns destroying other players ships.

War has always been, & will always be about counter & who has the most units on the battlefield. This applies to how pvp works in EVE online. If you decide to play like Rambo... thats your choice, you have then choosen to limit the odds against you.



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Sneaky Little Bastard
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-02-14 15:31:38 UTC
If you buy enough Skill Injectors you'll be able to kill eventually someone.
Negasonic Teenage Warhead
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-02-14 15:33:46 UTC
Mate, the best fun I have is skulking around in something cheap and poxy and having surprise butt relations with unsuspecting elitists and kb padders looking for an easy mark.

PvP does not have to be expensive.
William Aiderone
The Carolean Army
#9 - 2016-02-14 15:51:10 UTC
Hey all!

First off, thanks for all replies! Didnt expect any responses so fast! =)


SKINE DMZ
Ahh that was my fear. But when you go fleet vs fleet, are those fights less onesided? I dont want to know beforehand that my fleet are guaranteed to win or vice versa. I want the excitement from close fights where any side can win.

Mark Hadden
That is pretty much what I do, for ever fight I fight, I have probably warped away from 10 or so fights where I most likely would stand no chance at all. So that part Ive got the hang of! Warping out from certain death or fighting with close to zero chance of winning is pretty much all i've seen so far though! :P

Nat Silverguard
Yes that is true, I have quite a few 1v1 as well, but in almost every case they are coming at me with T2 or faction frigate or destoyers if im flying a T1 frigate. So 9 times out of 10 I just warp out. Perhaps it is possible to win despite the odds but considering I'm a noob I dont see that happening! :P And also in alot of those fights, they have had backup, it's just that I dont survive long enough vs T2/faction ships in my T1 for their backup to arrive. It's allways the same group of players who try to bait me into 1v1 and once im tackled it turns into a 1v4 instead.

Big Lynx
Not sure what you mean there? :P

Celise Katelo
The point of the post was me wondering if the majority of pvp in eve are fights where one side really have a huge advantage all the time. So far thats pretty much all I've seen. I don't get really excited about being on the other side either, for me there is no fun if I'm almost guarateed to win. I dont have to go rambo as you put it. :P My plan was to join a corp but if the pvp is to gang up on easy targets I might not put more time and effort into eve tbh.

Negasonic Teenage
Thats what I'm doing at the moment, or well, atleast the skulking around in something cheap part. But regarding the suprise butt relations, I'm allways on the reciving end lol. :D Is it possible to take down T2/faction frigates in a T1?

Sneaky Little Bastard
Well I have gotten a few kills, but not all of them where too exciting tbh. :P Had a condor vs condor fight once though that was really fun though! I want the fights to be able to go either way!

Thanks again for all info guys, Im not going to give up just yet!
Velarra
#10 - 2016-02-14 16:05:53 UTC
William Aiderone wrote:
Is there really any fun pvp in eve to be found? Am I looking at the wrong places? (And by fun I mean, somewhat balanced, where you stand the risk of loosing and chance of winning). I'm not interested at all in joining a corp where you just gang up on ppl who stand no chance either. So far I think I have had one single fair/fun fight that was not 1v5, out of, idk 30-50 fights. So at the moment I'm spending countless hours grinding and having pretty much no fun pvp at all.


Eve PVP regardless of the theater in which it occurs (space, market trading etc.) , - but in your case ship based pvp is generally about premeditated, outright murder. Through what ever means possible trying to outsmart and out maneuver your prey. If you find yourself in a 'fair fight' with equal numbers, odds are very likely someone has made a horrible (or funny) mistake.

As a result, you're unfortunately coming to eve with the wrong expectations. Set within a cold, harsh, unfair universe, the ship based pvp here isn't about fun or lol-esport but survival by almost (within bounds of the eula) any means at your disposal. Now IF you find that kind of pvp 'fun' too?! That's great. Particularly if you enjoy the rush of surviving a fight where the odds were not in your favor and you survived with only a few points of hull and some burned out modules.

To be fair, there is / are exceptions to this general state of ship based pvp. At least once yearly there are the alliance tournaments in which players engage in structured pvp matches. You can watch them via youtube.
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#11 - 2016-02-14 16:41:23 UTC
Is Red vs Blue still active? If so you could try that. Afaik they pretty much do what you describe you want, generate fights that go either way.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-02-14 16:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
William Aiderone wrote:
But when you go fleet vs fleet, are those fights less onesided? I dont want to know beforehand that my fleet are guaranteed to win or vice versa. I want the excitement from close fights where any side can win.

Answer - sometimes.

The trick to having a good fight in EVE is almost always having a "surprise factor" to even the scales. It can be a whole range of things - unusually large tank, extra high DPS, extra speed/range control, surprise ewar/neuts, unexpected friends, etc. etc. This can be contained within your solo ship or spread among the fleet. But you have to have something unexpected, or the enemy will just counter you easily.

Just yesterday I had a very fun small gang fight where we outnumbered the enemy 3:1 and still got stomped. It was very close and we nearly walked away with an ISK-win but ended up without a kill at all. Out of about 10 minutes we were fighting it was really decided in a crucial 10 second window where my reship was slightly too late.

Both sides had several surprises up their sleeves so it was never clear who would win until the very end. Even after losing I had a smile on my face since it was such a good fight. That doesn't always happen in EVE pvp, it's true. But if you're willing to wade through the boring engagements you will find some very fun ones hidden about. And like others said, you're much more likely to find them flying with others.

That's not to say that solo can't be fun, but it's basically EVE on hard-mode. With a little bit of planning you can actually take on veteran players and come out on top sometimes. Nothing feels better than killing a 2003 player flying something shiny in a cheap ship with a trick they weren't expecting. IMO FW isn't as good for this as it used to be because it seems like everyone and their mother has a link ship boosting their "solo" frigate these days. But that will be done away with soon which will be a wonderful day for FW pilots everywhere...

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#13 - 2016-02-14 16:55:38 UTC
Sneaky Little Bastard wrote:
If you buy enough Skill Injectors you'll be able to kill eventually someone.

Nope.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#14 - 2016-02-14 16:58:26 UTC
Get in a PvP corp.

If you were thinking solo PvP, like honorable duels, you should give me your stuff now.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-02-14 17:01:42 UTC
To follow up, there definitely are corps out there that enjoy fighting out numbered and go out their way to find fights in which they are the disadvantage, and turn it around with some clever thinking. This kind of goes with the countering mindset of EVE PVP as well.

In regards to big fleets, I'm not too sure I've only gone on a couple of larger fleets and I personally do not enjoy those. I think what I said above happens both in small and large gang though.

I disagree
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#16 - 2016-02-14 17:16:40 UTC
William Aiderone wrote:

Nat Silverguard
Yes that is true, I have quite a few 1v1 as well, but in almost every case they are coming at me with T2 or faction frigate or destoyers if im flying a T1 frigate. So 9 times out of 10 I just warp out. Perhaps it is possible to win despite the odds but considering I'm a noob I dont see that happening! :P And also in alot of those fights, they have had backup, it's just that I dont survive long enough vs T2/faction ships in my T1 for their backup to arrive. It's allways the same group of players who try to bait me into 1v1 and once im tackled it turns into a 1v4 instead.


when you escape a gank, that is a win for you in my book. and no, even the best will still follow the order of things, there's no ship that can tank a fleet indefinitely, if caught he might kill some but he'll die eventually.

so as per your experience most of the time they have back-up, because as i've said, this is an MMORPG, playing with others should be the norm.

i'm not saying you can't solo because you can. me, i don't because i suck. i suck because i'm crap at selecting my opponents. knowing your target based on your ship and your fit is vital at winning 1v1. and this skill can only be acquired through experience. i also prefer EWAR and logi over dps.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2016-02-14 17:32:20 UTC
Go pick a fight with a battle ship in a frigate, rarely fails to get my blood going.

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Mishra San
#18 - 2016-02-14 18:50:09 UTC
0/ Howdy Stranger.

Until you make friends / corpmates to fly with; you should check out "Spectre Fleet".

Join the in-game channel and fly with some cool bros.

Great group to get into PVP with.

sending virtual hug, virtual hug sent !
Tweek Etimua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-02-14 19:57:15 UTC
Mark Hadden wrote:
picking fights you can win and running from everything else is the most important skill in eve (small scale/solo) pvp.
Thats what you need to learn first, meaning a lot of lost ships in process. Once you figured it out, the success is rewarding as in no other game by far.



+The ability to earn isk. I my self struggle making isk.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-02-14 20:06:13 UTC
PvP in Eve is fun on a different layer. It's not so much the shooting part, it's finding or creating a situation you can win in. This takes more time and experience to do well than Orbit -> F1. So in short - it's the hunt that matters, not the kill.

If that's not your thing, then no, you won't. Eve doesn't spoonfeed you interesting encounters.
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