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The ships that can't use damage controls should get half the effect of this tank buff.

Pods and shuttles should obviously be exempt from this bonus altogether.

We have the killboards, and this data set. Both show that compared to the number freighters and jumps made by them the number getting ganked is incredibly low. RFF are the largest freighter organisation out there, their end of year results are very detailed and very big.

There is zero evidence any change is needed to freighter EHP.

Freighters should have always been able to use a DCU, along with a whole bunch of other fittings. Being dramatically limited in fitting to 1 CPU 3 low slots is not interesting or engaging, it's boring and pretty much binary choice. This is however different to the argument of ganker vs gankee balance.

Regarding EHP, no-one was ever ganking the max bulkhead freighters anyway (I'm sure you can post a single KM to say 'look people do' so lets take that argument as written and not be pedantic), so using a max bulkhead freighter to base your EHP changes off is deliberately misleading as to what the real effect of this change is.

Replace "There is" with "I have" and you have made a significant step away from the bad habit of presenting your personal views as facts. I am certain that CCP has treasure chests full of data that made the resistance buff seem like a reasonable idea.

Actually, there are plenty of online sample size calculators that you can plug any confidence figures into you like and see for yourself whether 2.8 million jumps in highsec in a year is likely to be a representative sample or not.

Here is an Australian Government one for example (just because I'm in AUS, but there are many others):

http://www.nss.gov.au/nss/home.nsf/pages/Sample+size+calculator

So if you want to work out roughly how many jumps in highsec each year total for haulers there might be, then calculate a sample size, at max it will be around 20,000 jumps needed for a high level of confidence. 2.8 million as a sample size is exceedingly good.

I'm amazed that a discussion of Damage Control balancing has so much talk of freighters and ganking. Until CCP has linked them here, those 2 subjects had absolutely 0 in common. Seems a very strange way to go.

Why is it that I am always having to go hunt around for any evidence? And why is it that every single time I do you lot can only ever reply with "no that doesn't count" Meanwhile you lot spout blatant lies that have been shown to be wrong thousands of times and never back up anything you say and then demand I go and find prove you are wrong.

I have given you a data set so ******* large its measured in the millions and you say no no no its not enough, red freight don't count. Why? Why do they not count? Is it because they actually use the mechanics given to them to make themselves 99.9% safe? Or is it because I have dumped a fact so large you simply cant counter it so you just want to ignore it?

Well too ******* bad, I have shown that without doubt freighters are 99.9% safe if you use the tools given to you. I have pointed out that a ship class that was only balanced recently around not being able to fit a DCU does not need a 33% buff to its structure resists to compensate for CCP nerfing a mod it cant even fit. The more you put your fingers in your ears and vomit your baseless comments over this thread the more of a window licker you look. We get it, you are bad at this game and you want daddy CCP to hold your hand and expel an entire playstye from the game. But let me tell you, your grade 1 shitposting is telling and the fact that only one side in this thread is posting numbers and working out what the changes is going to do to fitting is the info that will stand out.

So lets have it, show me the thousands of freighters that are getting ganked per month.

You are abusing stats. Please stop.

RFF stats are not representative because it would be like doing a survey by calling only women. It doesn't matter how big your sample size if the sample has an inherent selection bias. RFF operates under a specific set of policies, some of which are designed carefully to reduce ganking. You simply can't take their data and apply it carte blanche to freighter ganking in general without a lot more analysis of data we don't have access to.

I'm not saying the RFF number's AREN'T representative. They very well might be (bias, after all, doesn't always cause inaccuracy). But anyone saying they necessarily ARE representative is simply spin-doctoring or ignorant about basic statistical principles.

They can expect less than 0.1% chance of loss over 2,786,739 jumps through highsec gates.

Personally I think the change will put a lot of older fits back up for debate, as it should. Furthermore it prevents a DC being an almost mandatory module which allows for more variety in fittings, can only be seen as a good thing in my opinion.

On the subject of freighter EHP (given this seems people's biggest point of opposition, even bulkhead fitted freighters at this moment can be quite easily killed relative to their value; for example https://zkillboard.com/kill/51998102/, imo this pilot was just waiting to be ganked but that aside.

Added to this is the fact that not all freighters seem to be able to fit bulkheads these days when moving low value high volume goods, such as ore/cheap minerals, this being an issue since CCP created the ability to fit freighters but lower their base stats.
A solution to this would be that people who put up public contracts take this into account and start splitting them into smaller stacks to follow an unwritten rule of a maximum m3 per contract, this will of course never work as it means extra transport costs for the poor average miner, especially with CODE farming them on top of that.

The problem is that it at this point in time is viable to gank almost any freighter carrying some form of cargo, due to the relative low cost of a swarm of Catalysts at roughly 8 mil a pop and the risk free action of bumping a freighter in a Machariel. The standard hull resist change will give the run of the mill freighter pilot some well deserved protection whilst still allowing high value targets to be profitable for ganking.

best tiericide ever

best parts of it are the base 33% base hull resists on all ships and making it pasive module