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Not at all. That said, you would have to exhibit some minimal effort in flying spaceships, less than ganking requires though.

Of course it's feasible, but even if I wasn't quitting EVE I wouldn't do it myself. Killing carebears is the one true cause in this game.

Let it go

I think you're not talking about the wreck hp buff anymore Lucas
Don't make ISD lock this one too

You can't prove the gankers false either
You keep sending the ball when you lack an answer

We have stats that you turn away like a true antiganker.

I'm done here,
Praise James o7

Thanks, although your definition of undeniable is different from most people's.

And a wreck looter could counter this by simply looting the wreck faster than the guy shooting it. It was the EVE equivalent of a quick draw. You're making out like you lost all of your loot to a bunch of 15 minute thrasher alts, which you and I both know is complete rubbish. Following the change two people now need to coordinate a strike and both land the hit before the one person can loot it. That is a considerably harder task.

They never could thwart the efforts of 20 guys. The gankers aren't looters, they are combat pilots. To thwart them, the one player would have to be able to stop the gank, which they can't. No, the one thrasher pilot could thwart the efforts of the one looter, that was all.

It's quite ironic you talking about the value of the loot in the wreck like it should be a factor, when you spend so much time telling gank victims that they shouldn't expect to live just because their ship is valuable. This is exactly the same thing. You're saying "my loot is valuable, therefore it should cost you a lot to destroy". Ridiculous.

Clearly deniable.

And yet, still gankers managed to obtain the vast majority of their loot. Funny that.

What do you mean there's no way to stop them? You could gank them, surely? I mean seeing a thrasher on grid with your target should give you a good idea of what happens next. You opting to perform a gank while there is an obvious wreck popper about is about the equivalent level of competency of a freighter fitting for cargo, filling up and hitting autopilot.

Yes you are, that's exactly what you are saying. You quite clearly said that when you complained " It was a method that consistently allowed a 2 million isk thrasher to deny hundreds of billions of loot". You use the argument that the value of the target is irrelevant to the level of isk and effort used to destroy it, and I'm simply reiterating that.

All three. 1 because it can be countered in multiple ways with ease, 2 because the value of the loot is irrelevant and the wreck shooter didn't change what the 15-40 people worked to achieve, they destroyed what one looter tried to achieve, and 3 because it's been around for ages and hasn't shown signs of even remotely weakening ganking let alone breaking it.

It's exactly what you said, and you are repeating that here, otherwise the value of the thrasher would not be mentioned.

Pretty much down to anecdotal evidence and first hand knowledge. Doesn't to stop you making wild claims that anti-ganking is easy, and that no competent player has ever attempted it. The thing is , miniluv are very proud of their self sufficiency and talk about their paying out 20 plex a month to top pilots or whatever it is, same with most gankers claiming they are making plenty of isk, until of course someone that;s not a ganker makes such a claim, then you're all suddenly poor.

And yet, when watching this very thing occur, I've seen the thrasher get popped on many occasions, and I've seen the loot taken on many occasions. In fact the thing I see the least of is the wreck popping. Oh I supposed once again that comes down to your unsubstantiated claim that every AG is completely incompetent. Also, warping doesn't give you a session timer. Oh, and since you suggest to anti-gankers to kill the gankers while they bounce safes, you can hardly use that one as an excuse either.

The reality is this is much like the complaining about gate campers. It's a race to the button, and sometimes you lose. Well, it was a race to the button, now it's 2 people's coordination vs one person looting a wreck. You got your change to make wrecks almost immune to interference, now prepare for he nerfs to balance it.

No but killiing that target with a bunch of AGs trying to volley your loot is. It's called risk mate, and it exists in almost all of the mechanics.


1. It can
2. The gankers gank and one person cannot stop that. One person loots and one person can (or could) stop that. People have always been able to do it and gankers still managed to loot a huge number of freighters, so obviously there wouldn't be almost no suicide ganking. What this is almost none of is anti-gankers since it' insanely difficult and completely unrewarding.
3. I'm sure it has destroyed a tiny fraction of the amount looted..

Except it's not. The point to your argument is that you want easy risk-free isk and you get upset at the thought of not getting that. You're a carebear, plain and simple. EVE is not supposed to be easy, get used to it.

Lol, gankers making isk hand of fist is irrelevant to the balance of gankers. Good one.

Actually, I simply stated the fact that wreck looters can and do get popped, and that your reasoning for being unable to was incorrect. The fact remains that the moment they are able to take any action, so are you. If it were possible to with 100% certainty destroy every wreck, that would have been done consistenly for a long time. However it isn't, it's a small (and now much smaller) chance to destroy the wreck if and only if the gankers choose to gank with you around.

It's constantly being claimed that the gankers can just be killed, like it's that easy. Yet now, you destroying one single destroyer is apparently too much.

Obviously yes, as some players manage to prevent it. You can volley the ship of the field, you can simply loot the wreck first, you can avoid the gank while the loot popper is there. Hell, you could infiltrate the anti-gank group with a 15 minute old alt, say "I'll pop the wreck!" then don't and run away laughing.

Wait, so you mean all of those times I was present for a gank, there was a loot popper on field and they got the wreck but not before the looter managed to nab the loot, you're saying those times the loot actually got popped and what, the looter quickly ran off and bought the lost loot to cover his failure? You realise you;re not the only one with game experience, right?

Tsk tsk, personal attacks to boot. Get better arguments and you won't need to resort to such measures.

We're talking about Wreck EHP, and how thrashers one shotting wrecks without a counter is unbalanced and was rightfully changed. Fixing something stupid broken isn't determined by who is affected or what is being screwed over.

Also, I need not remind you that if everyone instead of ganking ratted in nullsec at the end of the day they'd all walk out with considerably more money than if they had spent it ganking even very profitable freighters.


They misplayed it. Please think of a gameplay counter to the situation two posts above and come back to me. Just because some guys suck at doing something doesn't mean it's balanced and there is counter-play.



Like I said, you ignore the argument, yet again and post nonsense. I told you there is no counter, gave you a 100% sure fire recipe to succeed 100% of the time, and you have yet to post a counter, because it doesn't exist. You are consistently wrong on game mechanic issues and have definitely lost all credibility here.

Obviously yes, as some players manage to prevent it. You can volley the ship of the field, you can simply loot the wreck first, you can avoid the gank while the loot popper is there. Hell, you could infiltrate the anti-gank group with a 15 minute old alt, say "I'll pop the wreck!" then don't and run away laughing.



Except that, hey guess what, this just means the wreck shooter messed up.

Do this before you reply:

1) Re-read my previous post and read the little bit of how wreck shooting works, and how people shoot wrecks. Give me a counter gankers could do to stop this from happening.
2) Test each of the 'facts' you don't believe on sisi.
3) Don't post 'anecdotes' or 'first hand experiences' as a response to dismiss reality.

You still haven't given me a counter. Give me a counter, anything at all. Please give me a counter play and I'll tell you how fundamentally wrong you are. I've been asking for three posts and you've still yet to post a single one.

Your entire argument is just "but you said this" when I never said it, or "your ganker bias is showing" without actually debating the arguments themselves.

I want to know your mindset here, because I'm genuinely interested. You either 1) know you're wrong, and you're still just sitting here 'trolling' and pretending to be dense, or 2) you're genuinely ignorant of game mechanics and too dense to accept that you're wrong and you're talking about irrelevancies to conceal this.