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They removed megacyte from missions, if I remember correctly.

So now the game includes two new features - any sufficiently moneyed noob can skill to the same level as a two year old toon in days, and to level the playing field between noobs and veteran players anyone can sport fancy new space stations anywhere in hisec. I'm not completely sure it's worth even trying to skill anything anymore - just wait a couple of years and start a new account - as time in game is now meaningless.

The character bazaar has made Eve this way for years. Nothing has changed.

I spent a big chunk of last night looking at the numbers for strontium in the various ice anomalies across New Eden and working out how the inclusion of Strontium in fuel blocks would affect fuel production, and the very TL;DR is that 200 Stront/40 blocks isn't sustainable with current ice makeup.

Here is the Google Spreadsheet I made to keep track of the various numbers as I went through each stage from ice to fuel blocks and how much each anomaly can support, plus what it over-produces. Since I'm not sure how much sense it's going to make to other people, I'll explain it here:

Currently (IE without strontium in fuel blocks) hisec and lowsec ice anomalies are capped in how many fuel blocks they can produce by the amount of Liquid Ozone in their ice. That means that they over-produce heavy water and racial isotopes, some of which gets used for jump drives or Industrial Cores, some of which gets exported to null. Nullsec ice anomalies are the opposite, their fuel block production is capped by the availability of racial isotopes, meaning they over-produce liquid ozone and heavy water, some of which gets used in cynos and jump bridges, some of which gets exported to hisec (or combined with racial isotopes imported from hisec). Thus null and high exchange resources the other lacks and the invisible hand of economics keeps everyone busy doing their thing.

With the addition of Strontium to fuel blocks, that all flies out the window - at 200 stront per 40 blocks, Stront becomes the single limiter for how many blocks can be produced per anomaly in all classes of space. Every other ice product is over-production - to a ridiculous extent in the case of hisec anomalies (enough racial isotopes for 77.8k blocks, not enough stront for 400) but also to a significant extent in both varieties of nullsec anomaly as well. This is compounded by the fact that there's no effective way to cherry-pick the "good" ice in nullsec - the only way to respawn an anomaly is to completely clear it of all ice and then wait 4 hours, so overproduction of non-stront ice products is an unavoidable by-product of maximising stront production.

More important than how much this will mess up the economy for ice products (massive spike in Stront prices, sharp drop in value for every other ice product), the numbers for how many fuel blocks New Eden as a whole can produce are going to fall way, way down. Looking only at local production (IE ignoring the fact that hisec and nullsec can currently trade their overproduction with one another to make even more fuel, which won't be the case with a stront bottleneck), hisec, lowsec and nullsec anomalies in 0.0 to -0.5 truesec systems will all be down to producing less than 10% of the fuel blocks they're currently able to produce, while even the -0.5 and lower truesec null anomalies will be down to 20% of their present day limit. I'm sure that nullsec ice is under-utilized compared to hisec, but even if that changed to the extent that every anomaly was cleared 5 times per day (more-or-less peak production given the 4 hour respawn time for each anomaly) there's no way it could make up for that 80-90% drop off in potential production.

Good stuff. I had been comparing market volume of fuel blocks Vs. strontium and, even if you assume only half of the fuel moved on the market is actually consumed, the numbers looked absurd.

The stated intent was:




But from what I can tell, total stront consumption (not just what is consumed by reinforcement, but all of it), at present, doesn't even BEGIN to approach a ratio of 5:1 with fuel block consumption. This does not seem to "maintain demand" so much as "create a brand new, very tight supply bottleneck".

It would be nice to know the true universal consumption rate of fuel blocks and stront. I would ASSUME they had at least looked at those values before coming up with this, but from what I can tell they just pulled a number out of a hat and said, "EH, 400 should do it. No? you guys don't like that? So... 200?"

I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed the slightly important point that the proposed stront use vastly out-strips stront production across all of New Eden.

you can get the megacyte from the loot by reprocessing the stuff. again not 100% enough. but its possible to get a bit

And you can get strontium clathrates from reprocessing racial ice, so by your logic, nothing needs to change! I'm glad we agree.

... listen buddy not even NULL SEC is gonna be able to mine enough stront to sustain itself. megacyte and zyrdine consumtion dosent change. but we got a 10% stront bottleneck like Jinrai Tremaine said in a fev posts back. null got a 20% stront bottle neck. fuel production goes to **** with this EVERYWHERE. but sure well see what happens. just dont go and complain that you guys cant maintain your structures services cause you cant make enough fuel there in goonspace.
this affect us ALL

bottlenecks can indeed change. however bottlenecks dosent tend to go from decent and sustainable to DEATHCHOKE in an instant