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yeah i derped.

But if freighters dont get the resist buff, some point down the line it begs a million threads in the way of 'why dont freighters have the same resists as other ships.' So get around that by nerfing freighter HP at the same time.

Assuming CCP dont want to buff freighter tanks *fingers crossed*

So, let's see, 40% of 67% is... 26.8%, plus 33%, yields 59.8%, which is basically identical to t2 now. That's cool.

I'm surprised there's only going to be one meta Damage Control rather than a better cpu/better resists split. I don't mind, but it doesn't seem typical of tiericide.

e: On reflection, I'm not keen on the 33% base resist buff at all. Yeah Damage Controls are usually a "must-fit", but when you choose not to fit one it's because the fit is stronger for it. You know what kind of ship I'm talking about. They don't need a buff to hull resists, or anything else.

It's all outlined in my original post on this topic.

That feedback is already there and if CCP pick up on it and agree, then great. If they don't then ok, that's also fine.

However, I have no desire to enter into pointless circular discussion, which is the hallmark of discussions you get involved in, so I'll just leave it at the feedback I've provided.

Why not give freighters more CPU now? IIRC the reason they were kep low was to prevent them from fitting damage controls. Now you could just knock their hull HP down a bit to mesh with the hull resist bonus they're getting, and allow them to fit damage control as an option because it's no longer going to make quite as huge a difference.

Why?
Please dont.

IIRC they didn't want freighters to have the ability to fit a DC. They also did a balance pass when fittings were added and ended up at the EHP they deemed correct.

There is no justification for an EHP increase, as they were never intended to be able to fit this module.

But let's not lose sight of other issues. Freighters are not the only problem here and that's why this idea needs a complete rethink.
It's lazy and quite frankly looks like it was done, for the sake of doing something to the DC. Rather than it needed to be done.

I'm sorry, but from the perspective of an outsider, both parties are responsible for the disaster that this thread has been. It's only served as a distraction for people attempting to argue the merits of this change where, in terms of the number of players it applies to, matters most. The discourse between the ganking and anti-ganking communities has been reprehensible and you've been collectively punished for your behavior, and rightfully so.

Also, I'm curious as to what your reasoning behind saying that this is an unwarrented buff to non industrial ships is. The structure buff applies to all ships equally, and making the DC less mandatory for combat fits will eventually increase the diversity of fittings for most classes of ships. I've seen a few people argue that kiting builds like the slicer or tristan (which is still somewhat OP) will benefit more from this change, but brawling and scram kiting and brawling fits, such as the beam tormentor or merlin, will now have a greater viability when fitting a second damage mod instead of a DC. Releasing the tormentor from the requirement of fitting a DC gives players a fantastic new opportunity to fit their ship in a surprising way. That's not a bad thing at all.

Some people have pointed out that making the DC passive is a de-facto buff to afk t1 and t2 haulers, and it might be; to be completely honest I do share the concerns voiced over AFK gameplay. For other players though, it's simply an annoyance. It's just one more thing you have to do every time you're expecting combat and serves no function other than triviality. If the cap costs were significant, or it were an overheatable module, I would feel differently about this, but it's not. It's just too similar to passive hardeners to justify it not being passive itself.

Saying that these changes are lazy is selling the devs short. They've come up with a good solution the the ubiquity of the DC without obsoleting it and at the same time made new fits possible.

I respectfully disagree, in my opinion punishment is completely uncalled for. Also, while I admit I sometimes feel like banging stupid peoples' heads together, I try to keep the following maxim in mind:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." (attributed to Evelyn Beatrice Hall, meant to paraphrase Voltaire's words in the Essay on Tolerance — "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.")

Eve isn't a place that worries about feelings too much, but to tell you the truth, what real life cops would stop the aggressor, then let his buddies haul off the goods? Maybe Concord should recover the loot from illegal kills and return it to its owner.

You could still gank to harrass your enemies' supply lines, get some vengeance, whatever. You just wouldn't profit from it. Unless the target was legally shootable, of course.