Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You're right AUR is not ISK, my mistake.

However, 800 AUR is about 550 ISK/SP which is even worse!

Based on current prices (yay for working from home so I can log in an alt in Jita....)

Extractor Price: 296.5 million ISK
Injector Price: 645 million ISK

Suggesting a price 697 ISK/ SP which is still probably pretty low. After all, a PLEX is 1.27 billion for 30 days which works out to about 705 ISK/day, assuming that training for 30 days, on average, yields say 1.8 million SP.

Although...let me throw this out there. A player who pays for a year (in the U.S.) will pay only $10.95/month. Now he might se the cost of that SP at 396 ISK/SP. So to him a price of 697 looks pretty good. Because over the course of 10 months he could PLEX for 9 of those months*. Provided that this is an alt who has other skills not being drained...might look like a good option for some people.

*It is actually close to 10 PLEX...so depending timing you could conceivable PLEX your account.

I know it will not make you "win", that's why I'm not using it.

There is going to be some noob out there who pays money for this and then gets his ship ass-plodded, and then he will come and whine some more.

The paying twice for SP is a really good point Siginek, I had never thought of that, preps to you. Also spot on with the milking of remaining player base

You heard it here CCP, making players pay twice for SP and treating us like cattle is bad mmk.

Buying a character is way different then this. The character you are buying you have to play with and when you buy it you buy the good and the bad part of it along with the reputation and history behind it. Those extractors give the option to players to instantly train skills just by paying with a credit card. Every rich boy that wishes to play and have a character that some honest player could have trained for years, making mistakes and taking poor decisions he could avoid with this. If he did a poor decision or a mistake he will just buy another extractor and use it.
This changes the whole skill training system that this game had for a decade and more. This that it was unique now is just another normal thing that happens i most games. Now you can buy whatever you wish with real cash and play asap not wait a few years to train the skills.
If such an item had to exist in the game ( to which i am strongly against) that item should not be sold for AUR, that item should be dropped and the dropped rate should be so tiny that whenever it does it should cost billions.

While I completely agree with OP, CCP has presumably already read the massive 600-upvote reddit thread and all the whining on here about it and chosen to ignore player feedback on the issue in the interest of supporting the "greed is good" mentality.

So.....yeah, we will have to just suck it up and move on.

There used to be talk of CCP adding literal asteroid belts with moon goo sprinkled among the rubble.
There was also talk of mining comets...

Given the recent expanded grids, I'm thinking this is becoming a situation with more potential, even though this was talked about several years ago (during the time of walking in stations).

If that does happen, you might be upset that you got rid of your mining skills, even if only for a day.


As far as on the topic of the thread.
The cost of a skill extractor should be relative to the cost of a PLEX, in relation to the time it takes to train said SP.


Max SP/hr is something like 2700 (maybe up to 3k but for some reason I can't figure it out correctly).
Assuming 2700 is correct, then we can do the math based off that.

500,000SP / 2700SP/hr = 185.185 hrs / 24hrs = 7.72 days
3500Aur / 30 days (plex) = 116.67 Aur/day * 7.72 days = 900.69 Aur/extractor

Basically:
1 extractor = 500,000 SP = 7.72 Days days of training = 900.69 Aur

So:
Extractors are overpriced by about 100 Aur, better expressed as 20 hours and like 36 minutes.
Basically, less than a day overpriced.

Now, I know you can bundle PLEX and reduce their costs, and/or bundle Aur to reduce it's costs, while you can also bundle extractors to further reduce the costs.

Now, I don't feel the PLEX to extractor exchange rate is TOO bad.

However, the question now becomes, should extractors be worth their EXACT monetary value in relation to PLEX(assuming max SP/hr), OR should is the difference reasonable and/or should the bundle discounts be a factor???

PS... It's late/early, so someone may want to check my math.

Errr, 40,000 looks a tad high.

Edit: It is the equivalent of about 17,000 PLEX by my calculations. Still, alot of PLEX. I'm guessing that that 30 billion SP generated about $325,000 in revenue.

Your math only applies until the market changes the price. Supply and demand will be the determining factor whether the Aurum price is correct. Personally, I think it is underpriced.