Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wow you really need to get out to lowsec, carriers get dropped on any and everything and you're telling me they are logi ships? Do you have any idea what kind of dps they put out?

Until someone smartbombs or shoots the fighters/drones.

Haven't seen a carrier launch fighters in years, not since the triage change.

You know when reading this thread title I was actually thinking of something in the opposite direction.

I'd like a more expensive beefier dread. I'd pay an extra bil or so to buy something that had enough EHP to survive one titan zap.

Also I want a dread with decent enough tracking and accuracy that it can be effective while shooting at battleships.

Here are your dreads with decent enough tracking and accuracy it can be effective while shooting at battleships:

http://i.imgur.com/3U9if.jpg

I agree that we need a ship between capital and BS but i think it should be a mining ship in high sec. Thats what we need.

Tech 3 battleships would be all too awesome and would fill the niche very well. An offensive module that has like -99% fitting for a siege mod would be awesome. With the tracking penalty, it wouldnt hit much unless sniping and with the inability to move, it wouldnt keep many things in its optimal for long. With no ability to receive benefits from allies, it would be sacrificing one thing or another to get the tracking it needs to hit anything mobile, making it vulnerable or impotent in one way or another. Furthermore, t3 cruisers being like 400-500m to setup, this thing would be like 800-1bil Im assuming. You wouldnt see fleets of them in 0.0 Im thinking and they wouldnt be thrown around willy nilly. Would make a great addition to the game.

Any other ideas for t3 bs subsystems that'd fill a niche?

Alternatively, tech 2 versions of the tier3 battleships would be nice. Their use could be for this as someone just said. Hyperion could get some kind of rail-only damage bonus. That or the same idea as the t3 subsysten, siege module fitting -99%.

Maybe a new line of modules instead of any new ships?
Sieging guns that are bs-sized guns. Absolutely horrible tracking but some wicked dps. This would allow them to be used for sniping though, if someone was boosting them. So maybe each gun you fit gives you a big, stacking scan res penalty, just like t2 hvy missiles increase your sig radius per module using them. This would make you uber slow to lock anything with any kind of beyond-normal-bs-dps amount of these guns on and wicked low tracking on them to start with. Too much to make worth sensor/tracking boosting to snipe with.

Im sill leaning towards the siege module fitting bonus. Keeps it more balanced.

For Shame, OP. Taking the cowardly way out by deleting your idea. Terrible as it was, y u no conviction?

You want a mini dread?

Raven = mini phoenix.

With decent skills and 1 rig, you can hit large towers with torps, and if you fit it right, you can even put a couple of large lasers in those empty highs (lasers so you don't take up cargo space for torps with another ammo).

I see potential in this idea. I do not however see a potential for an improvement in the game.

CCP tried adding bigger ships because big ships are cool. It worked with Carriers and Dreads(esp with POS Sov).

They then doubled down and added Motherships and Titans. Motherships sucked, so they turned them into Supercarriers which were ridiculous (and are still OP). Titans have had an awful time of finding balance (Remote AoE DD, anyone?), and they're still not there (though they're closer).

So far I've seen 2 tracks with a new Dread. Tankier and Better tracking.
I can get behind a tankier dread (esp in the EHP department, so you can survive a DD *if* you give up some damage). DD's are supposed to be Cap killers, but it isn't fun to get BLAP.

Then there's tracking. Dreads incredible tank and DPS is balanced by the fact that they can't hit anything except at range and they're immobile, so range control ain't gonna happen. They also have the Jump Drive which is mostly a negative on a Dread, as it cannot act independently of a Subcap fleet, and unlike a Titan, can't just send that fleet ahead.

If you want a dread with good tracking, you're going to need to give up a *LOT* of DPS, and a good chunk of the tank while retaining the immobility. Most of the other suggestions here boil down to a Dread that's radically more powerful than any BS and a fleet of which would be able to wipe the floor with any BS fleet. If the argument that they're more expensive so that's OK comes up, let me point out a few things about the state of the game today: Thundercats are a fleet Doctrine composed of Tengus (Cost to lose ~500m ISK + Skillpoints [Dreads don't cost as much to lose due to insurance]), This just happened (from what I hear, that's half their fleet and cost 20B in fuel to move). Cost just doesn't balance things too well.