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Chameleopardis
Doomheim
#101 - 2016-02-12 19:54:13 UTC
Skill training is just waiting a timer to be finished. Nothing else.

Someone waited for 11 years. Someone did not. Who cares?
Aaaarrgg
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#102 - 2016-02-13 00:41:43 UTC
Chameleopardis wrote:
Skill training is just waiting a timer to be finished. Nothing else.

Someone waited for 11 years. Someone did not. Who cares?




i cared

would try to explain it but from reading the forums there are a lot who are unable to understand what's wrong with it, im going to guess you may be another

even having to explain what is wrong with this shows how far EVE has moved away from its origins

this makes me sad

I remember EVE online a harsh cold universe, I miss it :(
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2016-02-13 01:05:57 UTC
Chameleopardis wrote:
Skill training is just waiting a timer to be finished. Nothing else.

Someone waited for 11 years. Someone did not. Who cares?



Me and others who put in the work to get where we are today, HTFU is no longer in the Eve vocabulary.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#104 - 2016-02-13 01:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Lasisha Mishi wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
All I know for certain is that I'm not spending another cent of my own money on this game. If I can stomach this wretched change then from now on I'm converting my alts into SP farming toons and let the scrubs pay the sub fee for me.

what happened to you quitting?

Would've already happened if I haven't already paid for my accounts 1 week before that 2nd Devblog got posted.

And it will happen eventually anyway sooner or later, so be patient dear.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#105 - 2016-02-13 01:46:35 UTC
If you managed to farm more SP than it costs to plex the account, I would be amazed.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2016-02-13 01:49:21 UTC
Chameleopardis wrote:
Skill training is just waiting a timer to be finished. Nothing else.

Someone waited for 11 years. Someone did not. Who cares?



The people that have nothing to make them feel superior to others outside of waiting for a timer to run down.
Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
#107 - 2016-02-13 02:12:11 UTC
Gedrick frogue wrote:
WoW is pay to win, you can buy a maxed out character for $40 and unfortunately Eve is now on the same path, some might say that this is the beginning of the eve for Eve, i for one hope not

FYI if anyone was wondering, as a WoW player myself, from this line it is clear that OP doesn't play WoW, attempts to speak authoritatively on subjects he knows absolutely nothing about, and/or will outright lie to make his "point." The credibility of this individual is zero and further discussions is an exercise in futility.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#108 - 2016-02-13 02:53:24 UTC
Zirashi wrote:
Gedrick frogue wrote:
WoW is pay to win, you can buy a maxed out character for $40 and unfortunately Eve is now on the same path, some might say that this is the beginning of the eve for Eve, i for one hope not

FYI if anyone was wondering, as a WoW player myself, from this line it is clear that OP doesn't play WoW, attempts to speak authoritatively on subjects he knows absolutely nothing about, and/or will outright lie to make his "point." The credibility of this individual is zero and further discussions is an exercise in futility.

beginning of the end?

no

it is end of the end.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2016-02-13 02:58:42 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
beginning of the end?

no

it is end of the end.
And yet nothing has ended.

Everything continues just as it did.
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#110 - 2016-02-13 03:21:38 UTC
Aaaarrgg wrote:
I remember EVE online a harsh cold universe, I miss it :(


It is a new age, in the past you had to buy GTC to sell to buy a high-end character from the bazaar, and you could do that on day 1 if you wanted. A wallet full of cash could buy you a titan pilot and enough ISK to buy one 2 years ago. Today you buy plex and injectors, but its the same damned thing as far as 'hardness' goes.

It has always been as hard as opening a wallet SINCE FOREVER.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#111 - 2016-02-13 03:31:28 UTC
Aaaarrgg wrote:
Chameleopardis wrote:
Skill training is just waiting a timer to be finished. Nothing else.

Someone waited for 11 years. Someone did not. Who cares?




i cared

would try to explain it but from reading the forums there are a lot who are unable to understand what's wrong with it, im going to guess you may be another

even having to explain what is wrong with this shows how far EVE has moved away from its origins

this makes me sad

I remember EVE online a harsh cold universe, I miss it :(
Based on your inability to grasp the basic rules of capitalization and punctuation, I'd guess you are far to young to have played this game long enough to care about anything in it.

You were probably six when EVE was last a harsh, cold universe.

Mr Epeen Cool
Diametrix
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#112 - 2016-02-13 03:42:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
No, the new skill trading is not "pay to win".

And yes, yes it did Devalue some very important things in the game. In odd ways too, last night was the 1st ngiht in a long time I didn't play EVE for at least an hour. I've got 20 bil in my wallet just from selling unwanted SP from alts I don't even use, and this is without touching my main characters (the 4 I use everytime I log in) or the 4 other alts I sometimes use. But last night it was like 'what's the point, it's not like I need the isk lol'.

And I will be able to do it again and again and again because of my +5 learning implant SP farming toons. This lessens the need to fly around in space actually doing things to get isk, which lessens the excitement of getting a good spawn or good drop or finding a good complex or exploration site.

Even if the demand goes down, it won't go down far. Just like there is always a new demand for
PLEX (and other things like SOE items , which is why even after all the SOE mission farming people are still doing it), there will always be players who want an SP short cut.

Problem is that CCP just gave some of us even less reason to actually play the game. Before this change, the "SP farmers" were the guys who could stand to deal with the horribly inefficent Char Baazar. Now's it's, well everyone.

Jenna (and everyone else that agrees that 'Devaluing EVE = devaluing YOUR time),

It's not about YOU! It's about all of us. The very first response in this thread got it right - this is a value re-distribution system.

You sold a ton of alt SP for a ton of isk and then didn't play because EVE (temporarily) lost some of that vaule-added thrill.

Do you have any idea how much of that 'value-added thrill' you've just 'given/sold' to many other players?

Bitter vets need to chill. EVE is evolving. Let it change. Spreading the wealth is a blessing because there are more of us to spread it to.

Adapt, Over Come, HTFU

o7
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#113 - 2016-02-13 03:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Aiwha wrote:
If you managed to farm more SP than it costs to plex the account, I would be amazed.

I generate 2 Mill SP on each of my alts every month ( 6 chars with+5s and perfect Per/Will remap).

I can buy an extractor for 260 mill isk from buy orders and sell them for 680 Mill isk in Dodi.

So you spend 1.04 bill isk on 4 extractors and gain 2.7 bill isk from selling the injectors which comes out to a 1,680,000,000.00 isk in profit each month.

Subtract 1,260,000,000.00 for a plex and that still leaves 420 mill isk in pure profit, lol.

The only downside to this is no further char development for those chars. But they already have right at 40 Mill SP and can fly all turret Marauders at V so I could just leave them right there and play them for free.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#114 - 2016-02-13 10:06:50 UTC
Diametrix wrote:

Bitter vets need to chill. EVE is evolving. Let it change. Spreading the wealth is a blessing because there are more of us to spread it to.

Adapt, Over Come, HTFU

o7

How is skill trading distribution of wealth? The old, wealthy players earn a ton of ISK by selling their SP and the space rich got a new gold item for hoarding.

The new players will be even poorer because now there is a constant pressure to keep up with wallet warriors and hardcore ISK grinders.

If i were a newbie in EVE right now, i would probably quit very fast because skill trading looks a lot like P2W. I know its not P2W, but its definitly P2Progress and i don't think truly new playes will see the difference. EVE already has a reputation of being a very expensive game because of all the "50.000$ lost in 1 battle" news articles.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#115 - 2016-02-13 10:17:57 UTC
Algarion Getz wrote:
Diametrix wrote:

Bitter vets need to chill. EVE is evolving. Let it change. Spreading the wealth is a blessing because there are more of us to spread it to.

Adapt, Over Come, HTFU

o7

How is skill trading distribution of wealth? The old, wealthy players earn a ton of ISK by selling their SP and the space rich got a new gold item for hoarding.

The new players will be even poorer because now there is a constant pressure to keep up with wallet warriors and hardcore ISK grinders.

If i were a newbie in EVE right now, i would probably quit very fast because skill trading looks a lot like P2W. I know its not P2W, but its definitly P2Progress and i don't think truly new playes will see the difference. EVE already has a reputation of being a very expensive game because of all the "50.000$ lost in 1 battle" news articles.


when i was a newbie the character bazaar was the only option and something i could aim towards, skill trading seems a bit easier than tryin to find 16bil for a char (at the time)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Gliese Casserres
Confused Bunnies Inc
#116 - 2016-02-13 10:37:33 UTC
Training my first and second racial cruiser to 5 felt like an accomplishment. When I sucked the mining- and rock related skills out of my toons and got third racial cruiser with the free SP it didn't offer any similar satisfaction - It was too easy. Eve used to be hunt for isk and wait for sp and content, now it feels like the sole purpose is to hunt for isk. Ugh
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#117 - 2016-02-13 12:42:30 UTC
This will be the event that put the last nail in Eve's coffin. How many other MMOs have followed this same death spiral?

First player subs start falling until they are worryingly low, next the Devs misread these falling subs as a sign they need to stop what they're doing and chase new players. Following this goal they introduce a mechanic which has no place in that MMO, existing players hate the change, new players don't remain subbed like the old ones did now that the experience has been cheapened, and the end result is a further fall in subs. Either the game closes at this point because they've successfully driven out everyone or they are forced to continue taking more drastic and uncharacteristic actions.

CCP should look back to see how the game was when it was growing it's fastest, replicate that and you can expect the same results. I have long thought that the new player experience could be reworked into a much more welcoming form and that this would have a much larger impact in player numbers than SP trading could ever hope for. NOT the type of rework that CCP has done in the past, eve is complex enough for a walk through tutorial.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#118 - 2016-02-13 13:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
stg slate wrote:
Aaaarrgg wrote:
I remember EVE online a harsh cold universe, I miss it :(


It is a new age, in the past you had to buy GTC to sell to buy a high-end character from the bazaar, and you could do that on day 1 if you wanted. A wallet full of cash could buy you a titan pilot and enough ISK to buy one 2 years ago. Today you buy plex and injectors, but its the same damned thing as far as 'hardness' goes.

It has always been as hard as opening a wallet SINCE FOREVER.


character from bazaar is different thing.

people complain already from off grid boost alts etc....

next mandatory for pvp will be max skilled char because everyone else has those too.

and how this will be any good for EVE?

also you can not use charachter age to determine his skill level, so once again CCP destroyed one way to get intel about oncoming events.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#119 - 2016-02-13 13:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Gliese Casserres wrote:
Training my first and second racial cruiser to 5 felt like an accomplishment. When I sucked the mining- and rock related skills out of my toons and got third racial cruiser with the free SP it didn't offer any similar satisfaction - It was too easy. Eve used to be hunt for isk and wait for sp and content, now it feels like the sole purpose is to hunt for isk. Ugh


make the sole purpose to hunt for content, just because skills can be bought and sold doesnt mean you have to jump on the band wagon and actually do it, if you feel it has ruined your game then stop doing it, its pretty simple, nobody is forcing you to sell sp thats your own greed taking over.

Bad Messenger wrote:
character from bazaar is different thing.

people complain already from off grid boost alts etc....

next mandatory for pvp will be max skilled char because everyone else has those too.

and how this will be any good for EVE?


no it ever wont be a requirement to have max skills to pvp, who even cares about skills in pvp?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#120 - 2016-02-13 13:23:20 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


no it ever wont be a requirement to have max skills to pvp, who even cares about skills in pvp?


it used to be like that , but now when it is possible to everyone have max skills for ship and fit it will be requirement for everyone.

You will see.