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boo passive DCU.

btw what will happen to the hecate hull resistance bonus?

PS: the removal of the Internal Force Field Array and its 17 cpu and the nearest replacement being 20 CPU fucks this fit if you don't have Mining Upgrades V (or a CPU implant)

[Mackinaw, 2MLU]
Internal Force Field Array I
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II
Upgraded Thermal Dissipation Amplifier I
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5

A lot of frigate fits are going in the bin with this change but there are a few that are getting an unwanted buff with this. The breacher for example will be more of a pain and the Hecate is getting a fairly big buff it really doesn't need. Black ops are also getting the squeeze via this and other changes to the CPU required.

as per CCP Darwin on reddit, he wanted us to post fits that might be affected. Granted, this isn't relating to the DCU, but webs/scram tiericide.

[Caldari Navy Hookbill, Polarbill]
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic Control System II

'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Polarized Rocket Launcher, Scourge Rage Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Scourge Rage Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Scourge Rage Rocket

Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

This is my polarized hookbill (which keep in mind, polarized launchers use less fitting than t2). I'm using meta 2 webs and meta 3 scram for CPU reasons.

I have 205.57/206.25 CPU and 48.3/49.03

Scram/web changes will make it impossible for me to fit this without using implants. The hookbill already has terrible CPU, now with these adjustments i can't even fit tackle on it. I mean hell, the fit has 0% resists and only like 4.7k EHP, its not like its super tanky. Its just good at range controlling and doing damage and getting out.

RIP polarbill

Shouldn't you want the DCU to emphasize hull at the expense of shield/armor?

Counter Proposal: Shift shield/armor resistance increase to hull resistance increase.

1. Increase DCU resistance a bit from this current proposal so that the total EHP of ships stays about the same.
2. Decrease or remove shield/armor resistances to armor/shield.

Reason: Armor dudes have EANM's. Shield dudes have Power Diagnostic Systems.

Shields have invuln you mean?
And I do have to agree on the proposal to remove/lower armor and shield bonuses whilst favoring hull resist.
I wouldn't buff any ship resist profile as the balance would pretty much dissappear
[edit] wreck HP got buffed, but that applies to everyone whilst the hull bonuses pretty much only target the freighters that anti-tank 8n highsec.
I would only give a suspect timer to the wreck shooter instead of criminal status to balance.

Hull resists with a T2 damage control will be 59.8% - 0.33 for the new innate hull resistance, plus (0.44*0.67) for the boost from the damage control.

A redditors feedback on using meta mods to make up for the new shortfall - not me props go to dotpoint90
Perhaps I should have said "modules that are commonly meta'd without gimping your ****".

Webs? Nope, 20 CPU meta web.

New meta web is ~10% weaker than current meta 4 web, and saves 2 CPU. To get the same strength as current meta you need to upgrade to T2, which is an extra 8 CPU.

Scrams/disruptors? Nope, 26/32 CPU meta scram/disruptor.

New 26 CPU scram has 7.5km range, literally worse all-round than the 26 CPU meta 1 that already exists. To get slightly less gimped, you have to upgrade to a 30 CPU meta scram, which is still worse than the currently popular J5b and Faint Epsilon scrams, which are essentially as good as T2. This and the web changes is a fairly significant nerf to brawlers IMO.

New 32 CPU Disruptor is literally the same thing as the 32 CPU Faint Warp Disruptor I, except the new version uses 4 more cap per cycle. Not many people use the Faint Warp Disruptor. I don't think we'll see that change.

ECM? Nope.

32 CPU ECMs are getting a 10% jam strength reduction and a 20% optimal reduction relative to their current stats. To get the same performance as current meta 4, spend an extra 16 CPU to upgrade to T2.

Tracking computers? Nope.

Yeah, these got buffed.

Damps? Nope.

The new meta damps are all worse than the current meta 4 in both range (~15% worse) and strength (only a little worse), but the T2 that does the same job as the current meta 4 costs 14 extra CPU.

Target Painters? Nope.

New 16 CPU TP is weaker than the current 16 CPU TP, but they all received a falloff bonus and the T2 got some extra optimal. Not really that significant a change?

Cap batteries? Still nope.

These modules are basically irrelevant, even post-buff they use eighty billion CPU to fit (60 CPU FRIGATE MODULE WTF) and offer less cap than a single cycle of a booster. Only relevant in the very specific niche where you expect to need to reflect bhaalgorn neuts during triage or something.

Sensor Boosters?

The only module to deserve the changes in CPU, IMO, because of the new functionality as ECCM.

It's also worth noting that in addition to these 2 CPU nerfs there is also a new compact damage module variant saving a whole 5 CPU each for turrets and a whopping 9 CPU each for missiles.

The meta damage mods are relevant for missiles, but I'm not so sure about the 5 CPU discount for what is currently meta 2 stats. The DPS hit is fairly significant - for example, three meta 2 heatsinks on a Zealot with Heavy Pulse Lasers does 531 DPS, but two T2 gets 510 DPS and saves you a slot and an extra 20 CPU.

>>The amount of ******** hurf blurf without thinking in this thread is unreal. Yes, a handful of extremely tight fits that don't use damage mods are going to be broken now but as gorski points out here not much is really going to be changing.

Except for a near universal reduction in web strength and scram range among T1 frigates, but I'm sure that's not relevant to anyone's gameplay.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/45e57o/can_we_talk_about_the_cpu_bloatplease/czxg07y


I'll try and fix the quotes later, on a phone atm

You might have missed the news, but you don't need the DC anymore. Throw it away and put on a tracking enhancer or something similar, if you really insist on the extra resists then you now have to make a sacrifice elsewhere. I don't think some people are quite getting how fundamental this change really is going to be to ship fitting. Before you could effectively minus a low slot on every ship as you knew that it was where the DC would go and you would be stupid to think otherwise (barring a few niche fits).

Ahh, good point. I assumed it was a new module since I've never seen it before. It would seem, then, that some points made are somewhat justified.