EVE General Discussion

i will be 10 yrs old in april and my alt will be in September, i have always paid with real money . i too have now cancelled my subs.

tbh like many others of my age i havnt really played eve properly for probably 3-4 yrs, maybe even longer,

when i started in 06 i think eve was in its golden age as regards to changes within the game and event created from within the playerbase.

for me eve took a nose dive once the real great wars stopped happening and the blue donut prevailed, from then on i lost interest in 0.0 politics and that took some of the drama of playing eve.

the feeling of anxiety and thrill that you got by doing some things in eve for the first time, like venturing into 0.0 (before warp to 0) , knowing you were new, had very little experience and skill points are some of the things i have never forgot, it was the adrenaline of being new that kept me playing.

Skill points never came into it, it was all about trying to achieve something with what you had then that made this game great.

The problem is as you get older in eve you learn a lot of what there is to know and you lose those raw feelings of emotion.

having the ability to create a character and max him/her out on day one has removed from the game for those who are truly new a magical essence from eve,

you will never really ever experience being a noob, and for me that period was my best time in eve.

apparently you're very good at it. :)

i will be 10 yrs old in april and my alt will be in September, i have always paid with real money . i too have now cancelled my subs.

tbh like many others of my age i havnt really played eve properly for probably 3-4 yrs, maybe even longer,

when i started in 06 i think eve was in its golden age as regards to changes within the game and event created from within the playerbase.

for me eve took a nose dive once the real great wars stopped happening and the blue donut prevailed, from then on i lost interest in 0.0 politics and that took some of the drama of playing eve.

the feeling of anxiety and thrill that you got by doing some things in eve for the first time, like venturing into 0.0 (before warp to 0) , knowing you were new, had very little experience and skill points are some of the things i have never forgot, it was the adrenaline of being new that kept me playing.

Skill points never came into it, it was all about trying to achieve something with what you had then that made this game great.

The problem is as you get older in eve you learn a lot of what there is to know and you lose those raw feelings of emotion.

having the ability to create a character and max him/her out on day one has removed from the game for those who are truly new a magical essence from eve,

you will never really ever experience being a noob, and for me that period was my best time in eve.

The advantage a Vet has over a newbie = Money+(SP)+ Experience.

The gap of money could be reduced by buying plex.
The gap of Time(SP) can now be reduced by buying and using Injector.
Experience can never be reduced. A 2 year old character will know more than a 2 week character.

The people who are against this, are you guys annoyed that anyone can gain the SP in a day that you painfully amassed over such a long time? Let me try to satiate a bit

We live in a time of instant gratification. Do you guys know that Clash of Clans makes more money than Blizzard? They earn that much because if a guy spends 100K on the game, he will have max everything, which indirectly helps in developing the game to be better. It caters to both the cash rich and casual players.

EVE is shifting towards a combination of cash rich and casual players to cater the generation who are spoilt by instant gratification, who have no problems burning 100-200 dollars on the game off the bat. Maybe 1000's of Vets will leave this game because of this change, but if 10000's of New players join and experience this breathtaking game, then I am all up for the change.

If a newbro spends 10k to get 50 million SP, how does it affect you in any way, physically, mentally, gameplay wise?. I will be happy that CCP gets a whale and can only hope they invest in the development of the game. Cheers and fly safe you guys.

Hi All

I'm probably going to get a fair bit of grief about this but I want to know why CCP has devalued Eve and by devalued I am referring to SP trading

Eve's greatest strength has always been that you had to earn, learn and grow within Eve, you learnt how skills, ship's, fittings, weapons, industry et all worked

You did this by training skills and working things out with corp buddies, you also valued your skill points, after all some skills could take you 30 or more days to train for

So now you can pay some Isk and buy an injector and jump up your skills, you have lost more than what you think you have gained

You have lost that value, teamwork and understanding element that you had when before this "feature" you had respec'ed your attributes, stuffed implants into your head asked your buddies how to get towards your goal and train, all these things that made Eve, Eve

OK i know this probably isn't the end of Eve but this IS a fundamental shift in how and what Eve is, Eve has just been drastically changed by CCP and for what? Simple answer is money,

After all Eve is CCP's only viable money making product and is getting as much as it can out of our wallets, well they have to pay for the development of new products but devaluing Eve to do so doesn't make sense

WoW is pay to win, you can buy a maxed out character for $40 and unfortunately Eve is now on the same path, some might say that this is the beginning of the eve for Eve, i for one hope not

Yup, i know that a lot of people will disagree with me and they will argue that SP trading is the best thing since sliced bread and that others will be in the opposite camp

I guess time will tell and we'll all find out if Eve survives or dies

Cheers

Ged

True, when I was a noob I remember being in awe everytime I saw a Battleship and was completely flabbergasted at the sight of a Marauder. These experiences is what kept me motivated with vigilant training so that I too can fly those space wonders and now that experience is lost. The new crop of players that are buying their way into Eve won't ever experience that feeling of wanting to catch up and won't be as dedicated to Eve as the players who made the journey the old traditional Eve way.

You know, I keep reading people saying that anyone brought into the game via Skill Injectors is some kind of degenerate that we don't want.

Having done the grind myself, and actually enjoyed the grind, I also don't begrudge people the ability to escape the grind and quickly enable themselves to fly alongside the friends who invited them to the game.

Think about it this way: You're unfamiliar with EVE Online, but then a friend links you a video of some of his friends going on a roam with Vagabonds.

You want to get in the game and fly those ships with your friends because you liked what you saw. However, as soon as you accept that Buddy Invite you're faced with the fact that it'll take 2 months of grind at least to be able to fly that ship with your friends.

Then you're told about Skill Injectors. Your friend tosses you one with some SP he didn't want anymore, and you use that as a start to get into earning ISK to use to buy more of them. You now have the potential to join that Vagabond pack the next time they go out, and you can learn as you fly just like you would have been doing with Rifters. Yeah, it's more expensive and your mistakes will cost you more, but at the end of the day EVE is about flying with people you know at its core.

Would you rather do the solo grind up through Frigates and Level 1 mission grinding, or hop right in with your friends and take bigger risks for the potential of better reward?

Just because some of the people that might come into the game now have a different value system than us doesn't make their potential to benefit our community any less real.

That sounds an awful lot like gambling.

Someone should tell CCP that gambling with something that was a sure thing before you started gambling with it is dumb.

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