EVE General Discussion

"Lol killboard" is the common opinion in the EVE playerbase, which is strange as in all other PvP games players live and die by stats. The reason is kill inflation. Anyone who is present on a kill report - even with an Ibis on a titan kill - gets full value on killboard. This caused the bizarre fact that there are 20x more kills than losses on zkillboard, making everyone 90%+.

To battle this, I analyzed large downloaded killboard databases and created de-inflated results by distributing kills. If 100 guys got on a kill they together get the kill value, not all of them. The distribution is done by damage parts. If you did 10% damage, you get 10% kill and not all of it. While it's unfair for tackle and logi pilots, as there are no tackle and logi alliances, such distribution reveals the true performance of alliances.

I did this analysis for 2014 and now for 2015. Both results are visible in this table and clicking leads you to detailed reports of these alliances. There are lots of surprises on this toplist, famous alliances got low kills and bad ISK ratio while barely unknown ones grew to top 10 with stupidly green results.

Go, have a look! Don't be fooled by propaganda, use numerical results instead!

Some surprising ones:
NC. is barely green
SMA has 31% ratio (OK, you are probably not surprised)
Most top 10 alliances are NOT null sov holders
RAZOR lost 2/3 of its PvP since 2014
And many more. Click!

grrrrr.... goooooooooooooooooooon?

With or without inflation it doesn't matter, the opinion is still "lol killboard" because killboard don't have context. I'm sure an alt in a rookie ship flying in and landing a bunch of hits on a titan will have a significantly better killboard than someone who fights even fights in a cruiser, but it doesn't say a thing about their level of skill.

The only "surprises" are the conclusions you come to after looking at the data. To anyone that's been around longer than 5 minutes, it's not surprising that groups fielding expensive ships to fight strategic objectives have lower killboard ratios than groups fielding cheap ships and going after soft targets. Even my gank alts have shockingly high isk ratios, because it turn's out volleying frigates, shuttles and pods off of a gate in a 1m thrasher is shockingly easy, but I'd hardly consider myself a good PvPer.

Basically you've looked through some stats and said "what ones can I spin to make it appear like I haven't wasted the last couple of years of my life fighting a battle I can never win", then ignored everything that doesn't fit. Pretending that it's not propaganda because it's based on numbers is laughable.

Coming from one of the "elite" I assume? lol. Effectively you agree with his analysis because it favours your playstyle.

Hahahaha.

If you are going to lie at least make it credible.

Dont try to be one of the cool kids. You fail miserably.

Even my most obvious alt has a history that involves ganking, so not really sure why it lacks credibility. Ganking isn't an exclusive club, every player can do it and smash well above 90% efficiency. You realise that right? Or did you seriously think that it was something only top tier players can pull off?

KB's are crap, depending on your point of view.


Sure they give you stats, but they also encourage players to play differently to how they used to.

Like killing soft targets just for kill-mails.

I beg to differ.

"LOL killboard" is a pretty common theme in most of the popular online PVP game. Maybe you should actually check their forums instead of pulling 'facts' out of your ass.

Mr Epeen

In hindsight, I'd say the game would have been better off without KMs and all the meta that surrounds them.

Higher level stats would be fine, but such specificity leads to such meta and free intel that its just, less interesting.
I'd prefer more mystery in that regard.

I've never read your previous year's analyses of this, so forgive me if this has been answered before (I assume it has).

How do you account for groups with players who don't PvP? A 3,000 member group with great killboard stats coming from 100 active PvP pilots is a lot less impressive than a 100 member corp with equal stats to group 'A' with substantially less pilots.

(I'm not intending this as a grrr anyone, just honestly curious how the numbers work out from people who have spent time looking through the data)

bronze isnt bad. Considering you know code sucks and all