EVE General Discussion

It is pay to win. Newbs lose capitals all the time but so do experienced players. losing a ship to a gank does not negate the fact you can pay for SP. given certain alliances have trillions and trillions of isk and can generate trillions more each day EvE will now be about buying skillpoints and whomever can afford the most to max out their doctrine fleets will be the winners.

A solid PvE career, from Tutorial agents to generating and consuming player-driven PvE content. That would also extend the tenure of PvErs past the two years mark, and would make infinitely happy bittervets who, like me, have been playing PvE for years in hopes that CCP will admit that EVE is a PvE game with some PvP in it and so keeping PvE in its godawful state is detrimental to everyone.

What can do a player who is new, doesn't knows how to play and is alone? PvE. In PvE his chances of being ROTFLstomped by veterans are slimmer than anywhere else. In PvE his chances to suffer a catstrophic loss are slimmer than anywhere else. In PvE his progression onto new ships and modules is more sustainable and enjoyable than anywhere else.

Instead of that, CCP forces players to meet a series of random choices and succeed in each one. Pick the right content. Meet the right people at the right time and right place. Pick those right people and not the wrong ones. Be the right person to fit with them. And be lucky to never enemy the Goons.

CCP should be brave and admit that it is THEIR responsibility to ensure that the game is worthy to EVERYONE and not just to the lucky few who make all the right choices.

So, again, what can do CCP so having 2 million SP is a enjoyable experience? Put themselves in the shoes of a player who did everything PvP wrong and still wants to play the game. What's left for him to try? What experiences are open to him? And how good or bad are those experiences? WHY are they so bad? And WHAT can be done to improve them?

Hint: selling SP so they can lose more expensive ships sooner is NOT an answer.

SP trading is not a big deal.


Most of the people doing it will be vets who know enough about the game to know what skills to trade for. A rank noob would not know where to start unless they were already interested enough in the game to find a guide (written by a vet).



So everybody should take this advice.

what do you define as winning at eve? at 2mil sp you are not even scratching the surface of eve, you are only limited in eve by your fear of curiosity, there is so much pve in eve that a 2mil sp player has no chance of experiencing at that level "progression + curiosity + imagination", your agenda is basically only pointing towards people who dont want to move from the same system and just be provided with a lifetime of variable content.

2mil sp players havent even tried, lowsec pve, null pve, wormhole pve, its not about pvp its about a players lack of willingness to be adventurous and find content themselves

Hmm, I'll put this theory of yours to the test since it's no use PVEing anymore and I do have a good chunk of gametime left.

If you were attempting to roam in a Hyperion or Pest (with Links), where would you start?

this is a fine tinfoil hat right here. fyi, i have a 2nd main that logi occasionally with TDF, nobody from that group is worried about this. :)
a gank cata can be trained within days, lol.



what do you need isk for in the 1st place? if you don't spend those isk, earning them is useless. try to explode some ships up, grinding isk will matter once again and i will actually support you farming SP to sell for isks if you maintain your liquid isk to 100m because of welping ships. it would actually be good for the economy and the game overall.



this is your problem, this is a very erroneous assumption, even if you have all core/gunnery/drone/missile/navigation/tanking skills 5, you will never be ready to PVP unless you start dying. only practice, intuition, knowing your engagement profile (i suck at this), experience, and luck wins 1v1. and for your info, 1v1 is mostly fought with frigs/dessie/cruisers. i actually prefer small gang, plex fighting, and drawn out war of attrition.



apparently you're very good at it. :)

No, I'm not leaving, why did you think so? As long as I have fun flogging CCP on GD, chit-chatting at OOPE and doing the same old stuff in the server, I will keep subbed. When I'm tired, I'll take another break and probably will give a try -eventually- to E:D. Then it will depend... E:D may grow in my heart or don't. But it's unlikely until they get avatars and interiors there; have been a goddamned spaceship for 7 years in EVE so E:D is not very appealing in that sense.

In the meanwhile, I've got 3 new female toons with little clothing and could use anything... putting gifted clothes to use can be fun in itself. And all in al, this is EVE: either you make your own fun, or you're TARFU.

(And in the event that you're making your fun, pray so CCP will keep their dirty hands away from it)

I suspect you would spend it... ¬¬

Well, I would rather see it as an investition.

i will be 10 yrs old in april and my alt will be in September, i have always paid with real money . i too have now cancelled my subs.

tbh like many others of my age i havnt really played eve properly for probably 3-4 yrs, maybe even longer,

when i started in 06 i think eve was in its golden age as regards to changes within the game and event created from within the playerbase.

for me eve took a nose dive once the real great wars stopped happening and the blue donut prevailed, from then on i lost interest in 0.0 politics and that took some of the drama of playing eve.

the feeling of anxiety and thrill that you got by doing some things in eve for the first time, like venturing into 0.0 (before warp to 0) , knowing you were new, had very little experience and skill points are some of the things i have never forgot, it was the adrenaline of being new that kept me playing.

Skill points never came into it, it was all about trying to achieve something with what you had then that made this game great.

The problem is as you get older in eve you learn a lot of what there is to know and you lose those raw feelings of emotion.

having the ability to create a character and max him/her out on day one has removed from the game for those who are truly new a magical essence from eve,

you will never really ever experience being a noob, and for me that period was my best time in eve.