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Dev blog: The First Citadels: Help Upwell Consortium build the world

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snotface
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#101 - 2016-02-03 16:16:51 UTC
Well if you look at the rings on the main site as they've filled up, it's a very exact science Roll

Going by the progress on the first two days the competition would have been over by last weekend, now it's slowed down even though RCs are a third of the price!

I'm just hoping the accuracy of the draw and the submissions is a little more accurate...Ugh
Tristan Agion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2016-02-04 12:19:23 UTC
It would be nice to see a "top ten" of submissions, plus a running total. Though it may be too depressing to look at that, if I am honest. I expect submissions from whoever is the "middle man" of the big alliances to be in the thousands. If you see something like that, would you still fly around for hours exploring to get a few dozen (or for that matter, would you still invest ISK into buying)?

The fun bit is that by not telling us the numbers and also not what the rings represent in real RC numbers, CCP is completely free to run and end the competition any way they want. The assumption that every completed ring represents the same fixed number of RCs is natural, but not at all certain. Maybe CCP said "let's put the first ring at hundred thousand, and then adjust the next number up or down according to how fast it gets filled."

If they are fiddling with the numbers as they go, they may well try to create a "dramatic" ending: Basically, do your best estimate what will be the final number, add 5%, and then let that determine the ring number - people will feel the pressure of "completing the last ring".
Jah'na Soule
Jaapsson Inc.
#103 - 2016-02-05 09:48:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jah'na Soule
How long are my contracts gonna stay open?
I've issued three to Lee Brinalle so far, but none are accepted yet. What's up?

Edit: sorry, I was being impatient. Downtime came and went and my contracts are all accepted.
Tristan Agion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2016-02-05 11:59:58 UTC
Well, it took a few hours for mine to be accepted last weekend. (I don't actually know how long precisely, they were still open when I stopped playing, and when I next logged in they were accepted.)

Somewhat surprisingly (i.e., WTF, you cannot be serious?!), "Lee Brinalle" does not seem to be an automated script dealing with incoming orders instantly. Instead, I now expect that some CCP PA is pressing "accept" buttons and copy & pasting the info into an Excel sheet.

Because reasons.
Circumstantial Evidence
#105 - 2016-02-08 22:34:26 UTC
It has been very interesting to watch the volume of isk poured out into the market to buy the Research Components: Players have decided what the remote chance to win something is "worth." Huge numbers of units traded.
Aram Kachaturian
Aram Pleasure Hub Holding
#106 - 2016-02-11 21:36:21 UTC
I'm quite surprised by the results and pretty much about everything related to that event.

Could a dev take time to explain what happened exactly with fascinating graphs and excels sheets?

Did the biggest contributor sell his titans fleet to buy research components?

In the name of the Monocle Clubhouse, those unbelievable results started a dark fire of absolute madness and there will be consequences IRL and ONLINE.



Servant of the Secret League, Wielder of the Monocle Clubhouse Flame.

Byron Blanks
Sadistic Retribution
Sadistic Empire
#107 - 2016-02-11 21:40:03 UTC
The Monocle Clubhouse demands a recount.
El Space Mariachi
Zero Fun Allowed
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#108 - 2016-02-11 21:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: El Space Mariachi
This unwarranted aggression will not stand. These colours don't run.

Nemo me impune lacessit

edit : i took my monocle off to wash it but i still have it

gay gamers for jesus

ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution
Sadistic Empire
#109 - 2016-02-11 21:50:06 UTC
Aram Kachaturian wrote:
I'm quite surprised by the results and pretty much about everything related to that event.

Could a dev take time to explain what happened exactly with fascinating graphs and excels sheets?

Did the biggest contributor sell his titans fleet to buy research components?

In the name of the Monocle Clubhouse, those unbelievable results started a dark fire of absolute madness and there will be consequences IRL and ONLINE.






Byron Blanks wrote:
The Monocle Clubhouse demands a recount.



El Space Mariachi wrote:
This unwarranted aggression will not stand. These colours don't run.

Nemo me impune lacessit



We, The Monocle Clubhouse, have spoken.

This so called "lottery" by is nothing more than a display of corruption in the highest of levels.

Upwell Consortium have abused our trust and as El Space Mariachi has clearly stated, this act of aggression will not be tolerated.

I would also like to echo Aram Kachaturian's request for some transparency in these proceedings.


ApophisXP
Supreme Commander of the Sadistic Empire
Mr Aurilen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#110 - 2016-02-11 22:22:25 UTC
We will not allow acts of aggression to go unpunished.
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#111 - 2016-02-11 23:15:46 UTC
What they said, we will call our first Citadel "Fishy".

Upwards and onwards my one eyed friends.
Takeshi Kenzey
Valliance Star Forces
#112 - 2016-02-12 23:52:57 UTC
So when do we get our apparel for contributing?
May'n Nome
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2016-02-13 04:35:22 UTC
Takeshi Kenzey wrote:
So when do we get our apparel for contributing?



This is my question as well.

"Threefold is the time's pace: the future comes not in haste, the present is gone arrow fast, eternally still remains the past."

zluq zabaa
Inhumanum Legionis
#114 - 2016-02-13 14:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: zluq zabaa
In general I like how many events have happened in the past couple of months since I started playing the game. They provide content by inviting you play the game a bit differently for a given time. Specifically about the Research Component Event I liked that it had some storyline connection to the Frostline Site Event and it gave the impression that players can actually "help build" the first Citadel.

But, here is what I think could have worked out better:

1. As other people noted already: it would have been nice if there had been an opportunity for Industrialists/Researchers to participate in their way. Let the Explorers find the Components, let Researchers reverse-engineer (event-only) BPCs from said Components and let Industrialists produce small parts of the Citadel.

2. Make it more present from the very beginning, or possibly before that, that you're only going to able to grind Research Components in specific Regions of the Everse. If you're based in one of those regions, you're going to have a massive advantage. Give others a week of time to get their ass over.

3. If Explorer-focussed: make finding the Research Components Character-bound. As in: you can't buy or sell them, you can't trade them to anyone other than Upwell. Or: give one "point" for finding them and another for trading them to Upwell.

4. The way the Event has worked, for one time and one time only Exploring became actually a team effort (that or paying a lot of ISK for buying loads of Components): have enough people (say in a huge Alliance) working together and you'll get much better chances of winning the price for delivering most Components. While in general that isn't a bad thing at all, Exploring isn't really a team effort at any other time (apart from higher level sleeper sites). So maybe do that more generally: make Exploration more profitable as a team thing.

5. Everyone who decided to play the Event and not sell their Components knew it from the beginning: other than a small chance to win a BPC there is nothing you'll personally get from grinding sites. Well, a T-shirt, if enough others decide to give a (edit:) fork. I think for the whole dynamic it would have been better if you could either a) sell the Components to Upwell for a fixed price or b) get a small amount of something special for doing the sites. Because otherwise all that happens is that people are reminded how stupidly bad time-for-ISK data sites are.

6. Be more transparent about stuff. As noted, announce things that give certain players a big advantage beforehand so others can adapt. Also, make the numbers for each round public, don't hide them in circles.

(And no, I don't want a recount or anything, even though I like monocles.)
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#115 - 2016-02-20 20:33:33 UTC
Aram Kachaturian wrote:
I'm quite surprised by the results and pretty much about everything related to that event.

Could a dev take time to explain what happened exactly with fascinating graphs and excels sheets?

Did the biggest contributor sell his titans fleet to buy research components?

In the name of the Monocle Clubhouse, those unbelievable results started a dark fire of absolute madness and there will be consequences IRL and ONLINE.




It's not my place to actually post the numbers not being the organiser, but the top contribution was an organised exploration & live event group pooling resources and doing a concerted drive. I imagine second place was another similar group based off how many I am aware they contributed, though there was room for other groups between the two.
So it's a bit misleading when there is only a single pilots name on it all, but because it was run as an individual pilot thing that's the way official recognition has to go.
Takeshi Kenzey
Valliance Star Forces
#116 - 2016-05-07 09:26:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Kenzey
Takeshi Kenzey wrote:
So when do we get our apparel for contributing?


3 months go by and still no word ..... bump!!!!!