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A Spring Wind: A message to the Caldari Providence Directorate

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-01-10 18:46:49 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:

Because that worked so well last time, also it's going to be hard if the State's loyallists keep fleeing to Amarr Space.

Yes, it worked very well, but we forgot to completely annihilate enemies (most of them are now hiding among republic forces) and they had some success in conquering and robbing corporate property, destroying what have been done for peoples of the State. What's left of gallente forces in BR? Anarchic corporations. It's very unfortunate that they can take systems, but we have to deal with enemies methodically, one by one. First goes stronger enemy, then we can scatter these anarchists away.

Caellach Marellus wrote:

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and will start to bring real help to its citizens, not only rich and dirty gallentean folks, bureaucrats and politicians, like it's doing now.


Any source for such allegations, or is this more rubbish you learned growing up in the State?

I'm not sure if you're serious at times Captain Kim, or just bad parody for obsessivly blind faction loyallists.


I'm not sure how you can't understand it by simple looking at things. Let me help you. Forget for a minute for you allegiances, all gallentean propaganda that you see in holodisks and other media, and try to think independently and analytical:
- How do you get high corporate position in Gallente Federation?
- How do you get high corporate position in Caldari State? (After Heth's reforms, of course)
- Where does go income of a corporation in Gallente Federation?
- Where does go income of a corporation in Caldari State?

If you still don't get it, then try to get information 'in field' yourself.
- Take any famous glamorous covered in luxuries Gallente manager and ask him, what he wants to achieve next month?
- Take any busy Caldari high-ranked manager and ask him the same question.
- Then ask any regular Gallente citizen on a prosperous gallente planet, what does Roden or Fouritan did for him.
- And ask any regular Caldari citizen on a prosperous caldari planet, what does Tibus Heth did for him.
(Make sure that both planets were peaceful during ongoing conflict, so you don't meet any of war victims, maybe ask several different peoples to get some statistics)

Hope this will let you understand what the real blindness is as well.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#22 - 2012-01-10 18:59:53 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

I'm not sure how you can't understand it by simple looking at things. Let me help you. Forget for a minute for you allegiances, all gallentean propaganda that you see in holodisks and other media, and try to think independently and analytical:
- How do you get high corporate position in Gallente Federation?
- How do you get high corporate position in Caldari State? (After Heth's reforms, of course)
- Where does go income of a corporation in Gallente Federation?
- Where does go income of a corporation in Caldari State?

If you still don't get it, then try to get information 'in field' yourself.
- Take any famous glamorous covered in luxuries Gallente manager and ask him, what he wants to achieve next month?
- Take any busy Caldari high-ranked manager and ask him the same question.
- Then ask any regular Gallente citizen on a prosperous gallente planet, what does Roden or Fouritan did for him.
- And ask any regular Caldari citizen on a prosperous caldari planet, what does Tibus Heth did for him.
(Make sure that both planets were peaceful during ongoing conflict, so you don't meet any of war victims, maybe ask several different peoples to get some statistics)

Hope this will let you understand what the real blindness is as well.


And what is this that you trying to prove., that the State is is beter than the Federation.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#23 - 2012-01-10 20:19:53 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
But the Republic now is at war with the State. Unfortunately, Ishukone is just a megacorporation and cannot solve this 'little problem'.


You are not seeing deeper. Why is your State at war with the Republic?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-01-10 21:01:06 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:

And what is this that you trying to prove., that the State is is beter than the Federation.


When I need to prove it, I unsheathe my gun.
You asked for sources, I pointed you.
Now you can either study and analyze, so we can continue conversation.
Or you can ignore it, and I won't waste my precious time on you anymore.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#25 - 2012-01-11 00:09:50 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I'm not sure how you can't understand it by simple looking at things. Let me help you. Forget for a minute for you allegiances, all gallentean propaganda that you see in holodisks and other media, and try to think independently and analytical:


That's how I generally look at things, you're confusing me for someone who is a fan of the Federation's current political situation.

I do find this ironic from someone so far up Heth's backside she can see Damar Rocarion's feet.


Quote:
- How do you get high corporate position in Gallente Federation?
- How do you get high corporate position in Caldari State? (After Heth's reforms, of course)
- Where does go income of a corporation in Gallente Federation?
- Where does go income of a corporation in Caldari State?

If you still don't get it, then try to get information 'in field' yourself.
- Take any famous glamorous covered in luxuries Gallente manager and ask him, what he wants to achieve next month?
- Take any busy Caldari high-ranked manager and ask him the same question.
- Then ask any regular Gallente citizen on a prosperous gallente planet, what does Roden or Fouritan did for him.
- And ask any regular Caldari citizen on a prosperous caldari planet, what does Tibus Heth did for him.
(Make sure that both planets were peaceful during ongoing conflict, so you don't meet any of war victims, maybe ask several different peoples to get some statistics)

Hope this will let you understand what the real blindness is as well.


I asked for sources, not a bunch of questions. If you can't provide the hardline evidence yourself, you should quit making such bold statements that drip with personal bias. Don't expect others to do the work you can't be bothered searching for yourself, it's your job to provide evidence to back up your claims.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#26 - 2012-01-11 02:44:53 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
I like Ishukone. They have stations here in the Republic and generally do good business.

That is all.


So, do you like Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, Sukuuvestaa, CBD, and Nugoeihuvi?

They all have stations in the Republic (and Empire and Federation) alongside Ishukone and I can only assume do "good business" in the Republic in accordance with its laws.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#27 - 2012-01-11 03:05:28 UTC
Dex Nederland wrote:


So, do you like Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, Sukuuvestaa, CBD, and Nugoeihuvi?

They all have stations in the Republic (and Empire and Federation) alongside Ishukone and I can only assume do "good business" in the Republic in accordance with its laws.


I have seen CBD stations too, and in the past even moved some small cargo around for them in Republic space. My location within the warzone does mean I haven't seen the other megacorporations, but I am pleasantly surprised that they do business here in the Republic.

I am baffled as to why the State and Republic are at war. I suppose it is because our Gallente allies, who helped the Minmatar people in their liberation, fight against the State. Even then, I see no ideological clash between the Republic and State.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-01-11 10:46:30 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:

I am baffled as to why the State and Republic are at war. I suppose it is because our Gallente allies, who helped the Minmatar people in their liberation, fight against the State. Even then, I see no ideological clash between the Republic and State.


Why there should always be ideological background in war? Of course there are almost always ideological conflicts, but in civilized societies they can be ignored, it's a conflict of interests that can't be ignored cause wars. For example, almost no one in the State likes gallentes, but it doesn't a reason to come into their space to start killing them. The State took back what is rightfully belongs to the State, Caldari Prime. However, it is situated deep in Federation territory.

And, of course, you are fighting for allies. I don't know what minmatars think about being an ally, but for me being an ally implies fighting for allies as you fight for yourself and risking everything if needed including your life for them.

But if you think that you shouldn't help Gallente and don't accept their ideology and you prefer Caldari ideology instead, try to change your government position from inside, or join us and help us overthrown your government. However, this will make you a traitor and untrustworthy person, because you have been fighting against the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#29 - 2012-01-11 13:55:15 UTC
Ms. Kim, your patriotic efforts are noted, but sometimes I have that nagging feeling that you're overshooting tremendously.


Mr. Jaiga,

a more reasonable response would include the argument that the reason for the State and the Republic being at war boils down to our allies of necessity. Necessity implies that one cannot always choose their allies. It is safe to say that the ideological and to a major degree the political goals of the State and the Empire don't match very well. A great interest for the Empire is probably stability, and a federation - certainly not target of benevolent tolerance - that is busy fighting the State is good for the balance of power.
One can only imagine what happens if this balance shifts.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#30 - 2012-01-11 14:28:16 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Ms. Kim, your patriotic efforts are noted, but sometimes I have that nagging feeling that you're overshooting tremendously.


Mr. Jaiga,

a more reasonable response would include the argument that the reason for the State and the Republic being at war boils down to our allies of necessity. Necessity implies that one cannot always choose their allies. It is safe to say that the ideological and to a major degree the political goals of the State and the Empire don't match very well. A great interest for the Empire is probably stability, and a federation - certainly not target of benevolent tolerance - that is busy fighting the State is good for the balance of power.
One can only imagine what happens if this balance shifts.

But of course, and it's a shame too.

In the Republic, what matters is your loyalty to your Tribe and kin.
In the State (from what I gather) what matters is your loyalty to your corporation and comrades.

In the Republic, you work hard to better the people.
In the State, you work hard to better the people.


How is this being overlooked?
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#31 - 2012-01-11 15:54:14 UTC
You could say that. But, and that might be a big but, the State is not that altruistic. You do not work entirely for the State, or for the comrades. You work to better your place. The surroundings appreciate that as well as you appreciate the sweet and blood of your comrades.
There is no doubt a strong sense of patriotism that drives the caldari to astonishing - mayhaps in every sense of the word - deeds. However, there is also a strong sense of merit, which means that this only works when something is coming back. Be it wealth, status or acknowledgement.
Maybe this is a detail of difference between the allegiance of a citizen to the State and especially the mother corporation and a tribesman with his tribe.


So in short, yes, there are similarities, but no, the Minmatar and the Caldari aren't as close as you imagine. There is especially a political situation or conflict that is similar - but it is not equal.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

John Caligan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-01-13 22:50:37 UTC
Look, we all know that quite frankly, the Federation and the State would rather see each other wiped off the galaxy. We all know that the reason this conflict flashed again was a supposed act of Terrorism against the State, namely a former Admiral crashing a Supercarrier into an Ishukone station. And quite frankly, we Caldari have a right to take back Caldari Prime. But the State AND the Federation should realize that this war would be overly costly in the long run for BOTH parties, and that quite frankly, forcing your ideology on others is the WRONG WAY to make friends and advance your civilization.

As an Empyrian, I'm the last person people would expect to be calling for peace. After all, war is good for business. HOWEVER, in the interests of Survival and Profit, I believe it would be mutually beneficial for the State and the Federation to agree to a permanent truce, or at least a cease-fire. It is no secret that the Amarr Empire has grown too powerful in recent years, and is a definate threat to continued international security.

Yet, I do not believe this is possible whilst Tibus Heath is still in office, as he seems to be deadset on exterminating the Gallente. He would not simply drive them from their homes, but Heath's seems to be a murderous rage. For either the Federation OR State to advance, Tibus Heath MUST BE REMOVED FROM POWER.

Also, he's a cheap bastard who kills puppies.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2012-01-14 13:45:00 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:


I am baffled as to why the State and Republic are at war. I suppose it is because our Gallente allies, who helped the Minmatar people in their liberation, fight against the State. Even then, I see no ideological clash between the Republic and State.


It is the same thing for all allies in the current situation, they are merely allies of necessity. One can see the more cordial relations between the Republic and Federation, though it does mean very little in the end, for the simple reason that cultural and ethical differences makes them share very little eventually, much like it is already the case between the State and the Empire. What do you see between the Federation and the Republic is, at best, volatile hypocrisy.

Oh, and we forget the heated relationship between the State and the Republic in Derelik, revolving around the Ammatar Mandate and profit, by the way.
Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#34 - 2012-01-19 05:22:57 UTC
Alena Strazinka wrote:
Aquila Shadow wrote:
Show proof or this is just more fail gallente propogander.


Do you know precisely how many millions of our people have been killed over the course of this war, Mr. Shadow? How many sons and daughters of the State that have bled for the cause of Mr. Heth's ego?

Long it has been known that the Provists have singled out Hyasyoda corporation before. That incident was indeed why I created this organization to stand up against Heth's madness.

The Provists demand our silent obedience. We must ask them, why. Why should the power that ALL Caldari have fought to preserve and protect for centuries be given to a single political faction?

Who are the true Patriots? The ones who shake under the shadow of a single man and his cronies? Or those that stand up for the principles of the old Caldari traditions.

These are the questions we must ask, Mr. Shadow. We shall attempt to provide additional information about the Ishaga camps as it becomes available.

If you wish to know more about us, I recommend that you view our original transmission, here.

I believe that, regardless of the truth of this specific incident, that Mrs. Strazinka is right. The time has come for the State to wake up. Injustices happen daily while many citizens sit idly by. It is vital that we as Caldari stand up and recognize what has happened while we have focused on our personal lives.

I agree that Tibus Heth has gone too far, that he rules the State without any true opposition, but that time has passed. As Mrs. Strazinka has mentioned, many of our own have died to preserve our freedom. However, more pressing, many have died here in the State protesting injustices. Immoral actions, albeit legal in the State, are being committed by many in the State under Hyasyoda Corporation's name. Whether it is to blame for these actions or not is impossible to truly determine. The self-policing of Hyasyoda Corporation prevents any legal action to determine the specific person or persons at fault.

Vigilans Aeternum promises to assist in the reform of the State. However, we swear that we will not stand by when crimes against humanity are committed by corporations such as Hyasyoda. While we are willing to work with Vapautusliike in order to restore the State, we are not willing to restore it without first cleansing it. To prop up a diseased nation would be to waste the time and effort necessary to prop it up. Better then for us to fix the problems before reconstructing the State.

Anyone interested in assisting Vigilans Aeternum with this goal is free to contact me. We will never give up in our goal to seek justice in the State, no matter the cost.
Hamish Grayson
#35 - 2012-03-01 00:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Hamish Grayson
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Hamish Grayson
#36 - 2012-03-01 00:25:53 UTC
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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-03-01 05:38:42 UTC
I find it ironic that the loudest voice in support of the Caldari State doesn't even work for them anymore.

And isn't even winning the fight for the territory she's in.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#38 - 2012-03-01 10:24:28 UTC
I'm encouraged to see more resistance against the dictator Heth from within the State.
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#39 - 2012-03-03 01:57:36 UTC
Alena Strazinka wrote:
in the constellations of Ishaga, Isoma, and Okakuola, disturbing word has reached Vapautusliike about crimes committed by the Provists against Hyasyoda and Ishukone corporate citizens on numerous colony worlds

A simple question: What leads you to believe that there were/are any Hyasyoda or Ishukone employees in the Ishaga, Isoma, and Okakuola constellations? or anywhere in Black Rise for that matter?

It seems an incredible stretch that two corporations who lack any space-based facilities throughout the entire region would have much, if any, presence on its worlds. Add to this that KK, Lai Dai, and Wiyrkomi kept the region's development under wraps long enough to establish not insignificant presence and those of their subsidaries, I am not even sure what business Hyasyoda or Ishukone would pursue there since their investment in the region would be at risk from the moment it began.

This makes your accusation of wide mistreatment of Hyasyoda and Ishukone employees in Black Rise hard to rationalize. How can their be wide mistreatment of people who are not there?

Hilato Talkori wrote:
The time has come for the State to wake up. Injustices happen daily while many citizens sit idly by. It is vital that we as Caldari stand up and recognize what has happened while we have focused on our personal lives.

I agree that Tibus Heth has gone too far, that he rules the State without any true opposition, but that time has passed. ..., many of our own have died to preserve our freedom. Immoral actions, albeit legal in the State, are being committed by many in the State under Hyasyoda Corporation's name. Whether it is to blame for these actions or not is impossible to truly determine. The self-policing of Hyasyoda Corporation prevents any legal action to determine the specific person or persons at fault.

Vigilans Aeternum promises to assist in the reform of the State. However, we swear that we will not stand by when crimes against humanity are committed by corporations such as Hyasyoda. While we are willing to work with Vapautusliike in order to restore the State, we are not willing to restore it without first cleansing it. To prop up a diseased nation would be to waste the time and effort necessary to prop it up. Better then for us to fix the problems before reconstructing the State.

Anyone interested in assisting Vigilans Aeternum with this goal is free to contact me. We will never give up in our goal to seek justice in the State, no matter the cost.

You sound like a revolutionary from YC110.

I question whether your morality is that of a Caldari or someone else. The morality of the various cultures of the cluster are not at all the same, each placing something different at the pinnicale of importance. For many Caldari, survival of the whole is much more important than the survival of any one individual or even sub-group. Competition between sub-groups during times of prosperity and peace ensures strenght and survival of the whole when faced with external threats.

Instead of creating unlikely reports and waving false flags; perhaps it is far better to actually call out the failings. Heth promised security and the ability to defeat the Gallente, the lose of control of the constellation in Black Rise demostrates failure. That is what to point out, that is how to breakdown his strangle hold on the Patriot faction. Appeals to "humanity" for help fall on deaf ears, but appeals for better leadership who can gain the desired results are far more likely to remove Tibus Heth from power.

Put more simply: Tibus Heth has failed to successfully lead the long term defense of Black Rise. For this failure of leadership, he should no longer lead KK, Caldari Constructions, or the Caldari Providence Directorate and suitable replacements should be found who merit the responsibility and trust each of those positions require.



Failing that, other options for independent Caldari survival are being/can be pursued.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-03-03 11:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I don't know about colonists being rounded up, but I will tell you one thing I've become intimately familiar with recently - TRUST.

For those who don't know, TRUST stands for TRansparency for Unity and STrength, and it's the CPD's latest initiative. Ostensibly it's a move to benefit investors, the work force and independent State institutions like the investment bank or the navy.

The two portions of the bill that are particularly worrying are this:

1 - pursuant to TRUST, Provists will have the authority to enter any megacorporate facility to perform immediate and detailed audits of of financial, military, research and personnel assets.

2 - TRUST also mandates that a minimum of 5% of the shares of ANY corporation registered with the State and Region Authority must be owned by an organisation which represents the non-management workforce. So, a union, political party, something like that.


The former is pretty much a straight up-and-down revocation of the right to corporate sovereignty which stands at the heart of the State Charter, not to mention the worrying implications of the fact that the Provists answer only to Tibus Heth, who his the CEO of Kaalakiota. Meaning that the CEO of KK has theoretical access to every mail, document and research folder in every lab or office of every other Megacorporation in the State, but they do not have the same access to KK. It's corporate espionage with a government stamp.

The second is a bit more subtle. Under the Founding Laws, it is the prerogative of any shareholder, be that shareholder an individual or a syndicate, to sell their shares privately to whomsoever the wish at any time, even if the corporation is not floated on the stock market and regardless of the wishes of other shareholders.

This has particular interest for my family - the Hakatain Dynasty Corporation is an independent small corp that handles our family affairs and makes money by leveraging capsuleer income power and resources into R&D to produce patents to help unaugmented humans. We hold, or have sold, patents in communications technology, medical nanotechnology, consumer electronics and power generation. I own 20% of the corporation, as does my sister and fellow capsuleer Sinikka. Our sister Meera holds 53%.The remaining 7% is in the hands of our employee union in accordance with TRUST.

At present, HDC enjoys corporate autonomy under article three of the State charter. Because of TRUST, If even ONE of our shares is sold to a third party, much of the independence we enjoy will evaporate in a puff of legal smoke.

This, obviously, puts disproportionate power into the hands of the union, who now basically hold the keys to the entire corporation - if they want to sell, they can and there's nothing we can do to stop them. The threat of selling therefore gives them a high-stakes bargaining chip in any negotiations with the management. Furthermore if, say, Kaalakiota bid high enough, there'd be no good reason for them NOT to sell. Meaning that all the Provists need to do in order to strip my family's business of much of its legal autonomy is wave a large enough sum at my union.

Oh, and if the union does sell? then we're required by TRUST to fork over another 5%. and another, and another, until we simply can't hold onto a majority any longer. KK can squeeze their opponents out of the ownership of the corporations they founded just by throwing money at the problem until it goes away.

Legislation at its most poisonous. TRUST is an unashamed power grab by Heth and the CPD, and the only people who've refused to acknowledge it so far have been Ishukone. Even Hyasyoda has capitulated to the bill, though they did oppose it in the CEP.

The State is not a dictatorship. Heth himself established the meritocracy that it ought to be, but now is busily setting about defining "merit" as being "anything which aligns with the CPD's agenda". This cannot stand - there needs to be a shift in the balance of power, and soon.

ADDENDUM: I should point out that the 5% rule doesn't apply to megacorporations, though I'm sure the CPD would have liked it to. Fortunately, the CEOs aren't quite under his thumb to that extent.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

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