Player Features and Ideas Discussion

ISDs locked my last thread for ranting. Fair enough, it was a rant. I have re-worded my argument to be more constructive, highlighting the valid points I made

I currently own 2 perfect Archon pilots (T2 triage, Amarr carrier 5, fighters 5), meaning I have two characters that can use a carrier both for a DPS role and for a triage tole. However, yesterday this appeared in markets across New Eden. The price, I'm not too concerned about. It's the training that gets to me.

Now, let's do some rough maths. A pilot with perfect remaps and +4s trains about 2600sp/hour. To get my two Archon pilots to the same utility they have now, I will have to train for a total of 156 days on both accounts. That's 6 PLEX, or 33 skill injectors. So either 7.2bil per account if I'm patient enough to train, or 15-20bil in injectors (300k sp per injector). This means that I personally will have to choose between spending 30-40bil ($250 of Aurum) or just spending 14-15bil on PLEX and then waiting around for 5 months.

Bear in mind that I only have Amarr carrier 5 on my two pilots. Anyone with all carriers to 5 will have to train for 328 days to maintain the same utility post-Citadel that they currently have today.

While I hope that this was just a poor balance decision, observations like this have been made recently, and one can only wonder if this is deliberate. This seems to me like a cash grab, abusing players such as myself that are devoted enough to the game to bear with the changes and buy our way back to wear we were.

Any devs who read this - any comment? I may well be wrong about accusing you of making this a cash grab, and I welcome being proven wrong by a logical explanation to these changes, or plans to look at skills again. My Reddit thread highlighting this issue has gained a fair bit of traction, so I'd say this is an issue you definitely cannot ignore.

tl;dr New skill training is a terrible idea, possibly even a cash grab

My interpretation of the rule is that just copy-pasting a locked thread is forbidden. In the "rant" section of the rules, it explains that rants are locked due to non-constructive comments. I have since obeyed this rule and expressed my opinions on the subject in a more constructive and less angry manner.

And while this could be interpreted as a rant, it is still a very valid issue that needs to be discussed.

This is a valid issue, please do not lock.

"If you can fly it now, you can fly it tomorrow" no longer applies. Trying to use "but it's a totally new ship class!" as a counterargument is garbage because the roles our skillpoints are invested in are now partially wasted no matter how you look at it. This needs to be revisited before the capital skill point refunds go out, because once that happens, there's no easy way to go back.

My main issue is not how they are handling the transition but that a ship (fax) with half the use of a current carrier is still a x14 skill.

With the carrier skill this was reasonable not only was it the only capital skill that trained two ships one of those two was a super. There is no reason the new fax should also be x14.


My other issue is the weapon system for carriers just got 2x harder to train (3x of we are not counting supers) with the two new fighter skulls being placed at x12. For context a dreads guns are only x7 and with the exclusion of the Phoenix you only need to treason one x7 skill to get full use out of your guns not 4 x12




EDIT:

to explain my reasoning as to why this is bad beyond just not wanting to need to wait so long.


CCP said they wanted players to have more choice when choosing a first capital so they gave dreads a smb but making it so much harder to train carriers (and to a lesser extent fax(hull x14 then two x10 RR skills)) than dreads it goes against that principle

You've got the better end of this deal. I am most certainly not running out of things to train. And now my plans for dualboxing Sins and dunking renters will have to be put off for another 6 months

It is really upsetting to see a blatant cash grab like this.

Certainly grandfathering us into these skills is a poor idea (screws over newbros who dont have the skills) but hot damn, it really is not in line with other capitals for us to train this much to simply get to the point carrier pilots were at before... the multipliers on the proposed skills are ridiculously high.

CCPlease

1. It's just a ship nerf to carriers, be glad CCP is being nice and allowing reallocation.
2. Post in This thread with your arguments, not your own special snowflake thread.

But really, you are whining over your favourite ship receiving a well deserved nerf. It's not the first time a ships role has changed and people need to train the new hull for the actual role. And very clear breakdowns for why the new skills should exist have been placed in the proper thread by people.

And CCP is being utterly consistent with their policy, you will be able to fly the same hulls you could before the nerf. When they have removed a role and given it to a new ship, they have never given the new skill to people.
Only time they give skills is when they actually move the actual ship hull to a new skill.

Do you know how much money CCP made yesterday?

It won't get fixed cause it's working as intended...

You want CCPs attention on this matter? Start a riot and get 20% of the playerbase to unsub. Then and only then will CCP listen to the masses!

Nobody is complaining about the carrier being split in two. its pretty damn rare you undock a triage carrier and need to use drones, and vice versa.

What people are upset about is the new skills. We invested a certain amount of SP into a role to be able to do it, and now we are being told that we need a bit more than double of what we invested to get to the same point we were before.

That wan't a treat to CCP, that was just me stating what I plan to do.

I do think other people should do the same if they are unhappy with what CCP are doing but i won't be organising any protests.