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Jita: Live Market Update - Skill Injector Prices Crashing
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Jack Theisant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2016-02-09 18:24:13 UTC
...and now an Injector, also in Essence, for 800M.

Essence seems to be a spot for high profit right now.
Kalgeroth
Doomheim
#62 - 2016-02-09 18:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalgeroth
Ria Nieyli wrote:
There's a lot of idle ISK ingame, not to mention people dumping plex on the market already. The bulk of injector purchases are going to be frontloaded, then it will slow down to a trickle. Once the novelty wears off, the feeding frenzy will end.


Many people who actively play EVE will see an advantage to training that shiny new toy...quickly. And they'll pay what they can afford for that instant gratification. Today and indeed any other day. This is unlikely to end while the servers are online.

This is unrelated to the pent up supply of SP we currently have flooding the market, and the resulting supply shock we will experience shortly afterwards until additional SP farming alts are fully running at 6m SP in a few months.

MARKET UPDATE:

Arrow Extractor prices touched 603m in Jita before bouncing quickly back to 640m, and rising

Even with massive supply coming to market demand is holding and, it seems, strengthening Pirate
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#63 - 2016-02-09 18:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrorfrodo
Ria Nieyli wrote:
There's a lot of idle ISK ingame, not to mention people dumping plex on the market already. The bulk of injector purchases are going to be frontloaded, then it will slow down to a trickle. Once the novelty wears off and people meet their SP goals, the feeding frenzy will end.

EVE could be very frustrating to newbies... you want to do it all but when you fire up EFT and see your puny dps and terrible tanking, not to mention shortage of cpu and powergrid, you just feel that you will never get anywhere.

Not anymore. With enough time and drive for grinding, or a hefty amount of real money, any newbie can completely skip the hard phase and have a character with perfect fitting skills and solid combat and ship skills on day 1. This guarantees demand as long as new players join EVE.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#64 - 2016-02-09 18:41:15 UTC
Kalgeroth wrote:
Many people who actively play EVE will see an advantage to training that shiny new toy...quickly. And they'll pay what they can afford for that instant gratification. Today and indeed any other day. This is unlikely to end while the servers are online.

This is unrelated to the pent up supply of SP we currently have flooding the market, and the resulting supply shock we will experience shortly afterwards until additional SP farming alts are fully running at 6m SP in a few months.

MARKET UPDATE:

Arrow Extractor prices touched 603m in Jita before bouncing quickly back to 640m, and rising

Even with massive supply coming to market demand is holding and, it seems, strengthening Pirate


And many people who actively play EVE don't care about the rate of SP acquisition, seeing as how a lot train with empty clones and the likes. So while they might buy 2-3 injectors now to polish off some skills, it's unlikely that it'll keep up. Not to mention that as characters age naturally and get more SP both the higher diminishing returns and the less need for extra SP will make most people apprehensive of buying injectors.
Kalgeroth
Doomheim
#65 - 2016-02-09 18:44:10 UTC
Well that (interesting) speculation about motivation which sadly none of us can verify. Whereas it's true to say there will be a supply rush due to years of accumulated unwanted SP, followed by a much lower rate of SP being extracted afterwards. It's sensible to conclude that this will impact the price.
Kalgeroth
Doomheim
#66 - 2016-02-09 18:46:22 UTC
MARKET UPDATE: Prices rising dramatically Attention

Arrow Amarr: skill injectors now 745m ISK, and rising
Arrow Jita: skill injectors have climbed quickly to 650m, and rising

Idea
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#67 - 2016-02-09 18:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Terrorfrodo wrote:
EVE could be very frustrating to newbies... you want to do it all but when you fire up EFT and see your puny dps and terrible tanking, not to mention shortage of cpu and powergrid, you just feel that you will never get anywhere.

Not anymore. With enough time and drive for grinding, or a hefty amount of real money, any newbie can completely skip the hard phase and have a character with perfect fitting skills and solid combat and ship skills on day 1. This guarantees demand as long as new players join EVE.


There's a lot of people that weren't frustrated by EVE when they started out, nor did they feel useless with low SP and were still able to accomplish things. This is made even easier with the new 400k starting amount now. You can fit frigate that can win you solo fights with 0 hours of additional training right now.

Yet the pricing means that if you're a genuinely new player, you'd have to shell out a lot of real cash to be able to afford extractors. At that points it's easier to generate some PLEX and browse the Character Bazaar. What's more, people that would do that are a niche subset of the playerbase. Either way, I do not see new players massively influencing the demand. The target audience for this product is people that have 20m up to 50m SP.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#68 - 2016-02-09 18:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Kalgeroth wrote:
Well that (interesting) speculation about motivation which sadly none of us can verify. Whereas it's true to say there will be a supply rush due to years of accumulated unwanted SP, followed by a much lower rate of SP being extracted afterwards. It's sensible to conclude that this will impact the price.



Well then, it's also true to say that as time passes people will passively accumulate SP by training that will either

A) Make them want to buy injectors less, to a point of possibly making them not want them at all.
B) Make them sell said SP on the market as they feel that they don't need it.

B is going to lead to some interesting pricing by the "Skill Points that I train are free" people. Overall, the injectors should keep appreciating in value after the initial surpluses get used up, but it's because their cost can be directly that to PLEX and they will follow its trends closely.
Berrice Silf
Academy of the Imperial Guards
#69 - 2016-02-09 18:59:00 UTC
Kalgeroth wrote:
Well that (interesting) speculation about motivation which sadly none of us can verify. Whereas it's true to say there will be a supply rush due to years of accumulated unwanted SP, followed by a much lower rate of SP being extracted afterwards. It's sensible to conclude that this will impact the price.



You don't need 6 mill to extract either its over 5.5 mill. You cannot ever drop below the 5 mill threshold.

Seems very strange that they've added this new feature to the skill queue system as well, i can on one of my characters now have its training for the next 3 years and 17 days without even logging on to do anything, how exactly is that encouraging active play ??
Kalgeroth
Doomheim
#70 - 2016-02-09 19:00:40 UTC
Berrice Silf wrote:

Seems very strange that they've added this new feature to the skill queue system as well, i can on one of my characters now have its training for the next 3 years and 17 days without even logging on to do anything, how exactly is that encouraging active play ??


Why would CCP want you to give them a little extra server load when they can just soak up your subscription money without you even bothering to log in?
Berrice Silf
Academy of the Imperial Guards
#71 - 2016-02-09 19:09:29 UTC
Kalgeroth wrote:
Berrice Silf wrote:

Seems very strange that they've added this new feature to the skill queue system as well, i can on one of my characters now have its training for the next 3 years and 17 days without even logging on to do anything, how exactly is that encouraging active play ??


Why would CCP want you to give them a little extra server load when they can just soak up your subscription money without you even bothering to log in?


Why are they saying this feature and the TSP is going to stimulate PCU when all it will do is generate more dead farming accounts and give people even more reasons not to log on, Find something else to do whilst passively earning.
pajedas
Doomheim
#72 - 2016-02-09 19:15:55 UTC
Farming at today's prices will barely pay for that character's subscription.

So, unless the profit margin goes up I don't see a new breed of passive income.

682m-304m=378m*3.76=1.42b per month

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Kalgeroth
Doomheim
#73 - 2016-02-09 19:16:41 UTC
Berrice Silf wrote:


Why are they saying this feature and the TSP is going to stimulate PCU when all it will do is generate more dead farming accounts and give people even more reasons not to log on, Find something else to do whilst passively earning.


Honestly I don't mind what people do with their accounts. I'm just speculating about the cost of injectors.
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#74 - 2016-02-09 19:30:52 UTC
The thread title needs updating, not sure what prices in Jita are doing atm, but other areas they're now going up steadily without a sign of slowing down.
Seeker Atreides
COSMIC WRATH
#75 - 2016-02-09 19:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Seeker Atreides
Injector 679m and dipping

Extractor holding at 302m
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#76 - 2016-02-09 19:45:31 UTC
Literally just replying to put my guess on the record for where filled injectors will settle, 680m ISK or in other terms 60% more expensive than SP from regular training off a PLEX purchase.

257m for extractor at 1.258b ISK / £17 with extractor cost at $5 (£3.47)
420m for the SP at 1/3 the price of a PLEX, the only way to obtain SP in the first place, assuming no personal value of the SP
677m total cost to buy the 500k SP

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2016-02-09 19:56:00 UTC
sooooo we aint gonna see all these maxed characters roaming around that people were moaning about?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
David Therman
#78 - 2016-02-09 20:00:52 UTC
Well, it didn't take long for the injectors to be fobbed off as extractors... that's all I'm seeing in Jita local at the moment.
pajedas
Doomheim
#79 - 2016-02-09 20:01:47 UTC
3500+ Pilots in Jita atm.

When will Eve Central pick up the prices?

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Avvy
Doomheim
#80 - 2016-02-09 20:12:20 UTC
Good job I don't have to worry about it.

As I can just continue to train.