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API keys, why the paranoia?

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Cur
Back Door Burglars
#41 - 2012-01-10 23:07:26 UTC
Big alliances want api key's because:

A majority of corporations have absolute idiots as recruiters, who would recruit a 1mth old character that's been in 20 different corps, some only for 1-2 hrs at a time, and honestly be baffled that said member went around awoxing.


When it comes to managing you're members, noone wants to do the job properly, its a game, not managing staff at you're local HR department. Tho its a necessary task for running a big alliance.

You get intel - X player is doing this. You get their API key, you look.


Here's to you, Bad Tast!

We had a guy whom was suspected by many as spying for the enemy. This suspected member has given their full API to he corp leader. When accusations were made the API was handed over to another alliance person, who did some digging.

The results found that, while no trace of mailing the enemy back and forward, that said person was a hell of a big scammer, to the point where they told someone IRL (someone that knew this person irl too) they'd send them a new Video Card in exchange for Isk. The isk was sent, video card never to be seen.

The player was booted for the scamming alone, but this player never changed his API and settled down in an alliance still within our space, dispite warnings to the other alliance not to recruit them.

More sus things happen, and question's are asked to said player - who totes they sold their super apon leaving our alliance as there was no point to having it.

Check the API - whats this? Nyx on a holding char in this system? wait wasnt that sold? oh right, you're lying again.



This is why big corps/alliances want you're API. If you say one thing, and it doesnt add up, it brings a feeling of distrust. To remove the feeling if distrust a full body pat down is required in the form of an API snoop. The API snoop normaly reveals alot about the player - so common sense should even tell you - if you have a player, nomatter how nice they may seem, if they keep lying about everything, why would you trust them?


tho, most corps/alliances want your'e api and do absolutely nothing with it, thinking the fact they asked alone scares you into being a good little pet (by the sounds of the OP, either bad spy's or paranoids dont want their api's known) -


kind of like how if you go to you're local shopping centre you're face is videotaped at about 100 diff angles thru 500 different cameras, shipped to a secure site then stored for 7 years "just in case" - most people understand this is a breach of privacy, but go along with it as its a condition to enter the shopping centre.

Others, generaly mentally insane or the kind of person that would wait till the store is closed then break in to steal money.... are against surveilance for the same reasons as people in game dont want their API checked.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#42 - 2012-01-10 23:41:23 UTC
Cur wrote:
Big alliances want api key's because: they like fishing.



I have characters that are red to each other.

They are not spies so I don't cover their tracks. If I did give a full API to one of the anal corps described above, I'd be sure to not get in. There are other things about me that I don't want known.

Let's face it. I'm an in-your-face forum alt. Contrary to the likes I have, the hate mail more than balances them out. There are corps that would love to have the names of my actual playing characters to try and grief me out of the game.

That will never happen.

Mr Epeen Cool
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#43 - 2012-01-11 00:48:08 UTC
Beyond the obvious reasons mentioned here already (spy research, etc), it's also used to help ease outside service logistics like teamspeak and forum registrations, hugely relevant for large alliances.

For smaller corps/alliances such information can also be used to help build sensible fleet comps, as well as help others help new players with advice, etc.

Personally I would never join a corp that does not ask for this information as it would be a likely indication of leadership incompetence. You have to have the basics down, api keys are part of the basics, especially now with the more granular limited api system.
Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#44 - 2012-01-11 01:08:18 UTC
Wouldn't you be better off with the terrible ones? You use them, feed them bad info and maybe set a trap or two.

Your not going to catch the good ones, seems like everyone agrees on that. But if that 's the case, wtf would you actually waste your waking hours on researching some person for a game? Shocked


My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....

Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#45 - 2012-01-11 01:40:49 UTC
Never understood why CEOs in this game feel they are "entitled" to see everyones alts.

I can't even figure out which one is my main P
Zangorus
Make-EVE-Great-Again
NO NEED LOOSE FACE
#46 - 2012-01-11 01:57:49 UTC
I got purged from renter corp cause ex PL guy gave me 1 isk

Like my comment and recieve 1 million isk ingame!

Endeavour Starfleet
#47 - 2012-01-11 05:19:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Cur I can understand that you have other uses for the Full API besides finding alts. I would never support forcing you direct to accept a limited API key.

However, You do need to be aware that the landscape will eventually change so that there will be more choice in the selection of corps. This may affect your alliance's ability to recruit.

I would suggest to everyone to start getting used to the idea of skillset only keys. Because once those become popular with modular POS. It will become a major change in the recruiting landscape.

Zangorus wrote:
I got purged from renter corp cause ex PL guy gave me 1 isk


While I have no evidence this actually happened. It does bring up a point that there are very easy ways to **** a character out of any chance to join his/her preferred alliance. This is partly due to the rather poor corp and POS management systems but does highlight that privacy is a valid need in this game for many members.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-01-11 06:20:17 UTC
Hokay yea? So I have this alt, IfYouInviteMe2Corp IWillAWOXYou. If a CEO wouldn't ask me for api, he would NEVER know that that alt is an awoxing alt.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-01-11 06:20:33 UTC
also yes I got invited on that alt, google the name
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#50 - 2012-01-11 07:05:29 UTC
The biggest reason its claimed done is "security" but it doesnt assure anything for spies as multiple accounts are promenant and any spy is going to have that already. What Id like to hide isnt the character Im applying with but any other toons on the accounts mainly because playing red vs blue vs the middle is a huge thing. Whos to say that the leaders of those alliances/corps dont themselves have pirate or suicide alts or accounts that will simply use the information gained to find out who to target or kill. Then using neutral or pirate alts they will attack, grief, etc those players or their corps.

It allows for any character beyond cyno alts or other useless alts from being on that account to hie any sort of manufacturing industries or other high sec, low sec, null sec industry from prying eyes.

In a game built on piracy its basically saying HI here come attack any alts I might have that arent protected while ensuring that your alts are protected because youve built the corp or alliance yourself. Because if you think that hiding industry or trade alts isnt needed in this game, or that there will be those in leadership roles that wont abuse such things due to the ease of it your really out to lunch. Its one of the best ways of piracy imo. Join a industry corp with an industry/mission runner toon and have a pirate alt and just simply target those who you find are juicy.

After so many years in this game I KNOW Im being targeted by people. In fact after so long I think its hilarious knowing it and watching them follow you around or try to set up ganks or this and failing miserably thinking your a fool. Its one of the only reason this game is even remotely interesting or difficult. This is a game where, like other FPS games, its your friends thatll TK you the hardest and most because they can and its funny, then log on their alts to listen to your whine after they ganked you. Its a game about tears without friends and everyones an enemy.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

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