Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No this isnt a buff.....




Atm the Eve world has remained fairly static. Gate connections, asteroid belt numbers, locations, etc are all static and have been for ages. The last real movement or revamp were the ice mining changes to make ice belts non static and this is very much towards that idea.

The first part of the proposal is to further randomize Ice belt locations beyond the static systems but unstatic spawn location within each system to a constellation wide spawning. It would force players to adapt even more, systems without stations, moving mining fleets and characters around much more than usual. I myself have been guilty of this and this is partly the reason Id like the change. Its too easy. By randomizing their spawn rate throughout a constellation its still narrow enough that you can still search them out quickly enough and force a bit more planning by players as to how to store, transport, compress, refine the ice itself.

I am unsure if moving EACH spawn every time to a new location within the constellation or moving them daily as a whole would be the most effective. Each spawn might be a tad dramatic but not impossible to implement .


The second part is the ore belts. They are frequent, rampant and cause serious areas of mining bottlenecks. I remember systems that early in game were virtually empty and could be mined forever by our corporation members that eventually became so overcrowded you were forced to move on to greener pastures. And tbh Id like to see this sort of thing happening more often.

I would propose a slash in the number of belts as well as a sliding scale towards lower sec systems having higher belt numbers. How deep a slash would be up to CCPs economics dept imo due to the price increases of minerals due to relatively lower volumes mined and I realize this would be a big balance issue there.

I would also like to propose that random ore anoms would increase by a considerable margin to slightly compensate for the reduced static belts. I would love to completely remove static belts in favor of anoms and even the traditionally scanned down signatures of old. Time and planning should reap more rewards even in high sec mining. In that regard the NPC pirate spawns in anoms and these sigs would be remarkably harder and even able to kill or seriously damage barges and exhumers. And not having more bounty, loot or salvage to compensate. Again these should spawn moreso in lower sec system. It should be such an issue that the NPCs are a threat as they should be particularly in the lower sec systems. Having to run away from NPCs as a miner and be aware of your surroundings should be a thing that every miner learns just as every PvPer, mission runner, incursion runner, etc has had to. Space should be a decidedly hostile and formidable environment.

I seriously think it is time for a revamp of these static areas to nonstatic player contested areas moreso than it is now. And if youve made it this far I will post another thread regarding a cumulative but separate idea.


Thanx for reading and contemplating... and yes... even YOU for your flames.

No. The NPC change is merely to add actual risk to mining barges beyond the I can sit and let these things peck at me forever stupidity that high sec offers even without a tank on a ship. Overkill on tank is one thing, absurdity is another. There is literally one spawn per racial region that can actually hurt a retriever or covetor even without a tank or tanking skills in high. And since CCP randomized some of the spawns, though high sec was least touched here, its even less likely to occur. That to me is dumb beyond belief.

Then the reality is that the NPCs difficulty would also scale with the reward the anoms and sigs might offer. If you want static belts then you get static rats as well as static low rewards.


The rewards, aka bounties, should be tied to true sec and have zero to do with what or how hard it is to kill. Difficulty should be a balance metric that CCP gets to play with to make things more or less difficult and be dynamic in nature moreso than it is now. Not only does it allow CCP to get more engagement from the playerbase as the game and mechanics changes but also allows them a finer tooth comb to change subtle things imo.

But NPCs that do NOT encourage players to think about fits, tank vs yield and other things as a natural course of a players learning curve is decidedly stupid. So with the basic idea that NPCs also need to grow and adapt through better AI should mean that ALL areas of the game get this same adaptation and growth thereby causing player adaptation in the process as well as being an open ended tool.

The null sec anom spawning system is also based on usage metric as well as payment monthly for the ihub and the upgrades themselves and then to protect the ihub itself to maintain this spawning system. So no this isnt a because they get it we should too issue. It is merely a change from static heavy to nonstatic heavy belt systems and an overall reduction in high sec ore/ice amounts and spawns in higher true sec systems adding more risk from ganking and predation as you move through high sec for greater rewards. It will also make it more work to find your ore but not to a detrimental level. Then adding the sliding scale means that for those high true sec areas there will be a severe shortage of ore forcing players into lower sec systems and more player interactions.

May I recommend still keeping your regular mining intact for Veld and. scor but move the other high sec Into these belt you were talking about. There for you the current game play but also introduce the more dynamic game play you have recommended.

This would included scanning down belts.

IMO I think there needs to be a different approach

- I agree ICE belts should be random in the constellation

- Ore anomalies need to go bye bye.

- Many standard belts need to be merged and made much much bigger. With have 8 km grids now. Use them.

Actually far from it. I have mined literally everywhere in this game minus WHs since 2003. You really need to get away from your preconceived perceptions here.



Ill reply to this. How exactly is this like low sec? This is a much more dynamic issue of ore distribution throughout high sec as well as spawn rates and spawn location changes behind the scenes than it is making it lawless and engagable without concord in belts like low sec is. So this statement for me is completely false. This is an idea for a better distribution of types of ore through static, anom and signatures as well as slight tweaks to spawn locations.

This is something thats never been looked at since the beginning of the game tbh and something that given the changing dynamics of the game is something I strongly believe should be looked at. Same with relative NPC strength in high sec actually being a threat to miners rather than a pesky fly.




As for the general neighsayers amoung you its already possible to create your own "anomalys" and ore in high sec. Just yours and noone elses. I used this technique for many years mining as much ore as I wanted every day all day in peace and quiet away from the huddled masses. It was relatively easy to do frankly but took some planning and execution, the hallmarks of success in RL and in Eve.




I have to admit this is a very interesting idea. Making multiple planetary belts simply be one large one based on the number of belts near that planet. I would go a step further that such belts would have a random warp in spot to them created off of a formula of where you are warping from and then a variance of 100-500kms off a few points within the belts so that just warping to it would create a randomization of landing locations due to its immense size.

The one detractor is the ease of bot and other factors with this. Hence the rat damage increase would be needed. Though such things still wouldnt be perfect to curb the relative afk nature of such a large belt.

One glaring thing is the procurer/skiff is already the go-to barge pretty much everywhere-big belt rats in null, catalyst rats in high.

Completely agree.

Did not know this, thanx for the info. My bad.

You realize that I AM in null right? And yes after playing for 12 years I think Im a bit more inclined to have an opinion on such a thing that is valid. What your talking about is the mining signatures becoming anomalies. Other than that not much has changed other than a few composition tweaks. These are both several years old now. Before that was the upgradeable systems, even more years ago and this was the main and biggest change to null sec mining. Other than this the biggest change to mining since 2003 were the mining barge and exhumer introduction.

I want to introduce miners to that same risk/reward in high sec as well as all other areas of eve. It atm slightly is but I would like to see it much more pronounced.

I can actually understand why CCP did it tbh. It was way to safe in sigs and having to bring a hunter fitted with a combat prober meant that the fit was gimped from the get go or not be suited to tackle or kill a target on its own. It gave way to much time for even a semi afk miner to get out of the belt in time.