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The Mining Frigate Tree Serves No Functional Purpose.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#141 - 2016-01-21 05:46:46 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Well yeah, if you're already in the wormhole you want to scan why not hop into a ship thats better at scanning first. But when you're in high sec this becomes an even bigger waste of time then using a mobile depot.

Then there's no problem, now is there?


Yeah there is a problem. Not all of us live in a wormhole.


This is definitely a problem with the ship, and not a problem with the filthy casual who wants to daytrip for WH gas.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#142 - 2016-01-21 05:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Yeah there is a problem. Not all of us live in a wormhole.


Do you realise that those of us who live in wormholes tend to do most of our ratting or gas huffing next door in our 'static'?

Due to the nature of how sites in wormholes spawn, a 'typical' wormhole dunking session goes something like this:

1: Notice that your static has closed, hopefully with you on the 'home' side. Usually, this is seen first in the Probe Scanner window or it's the result of deliberate 'rage rolling'.
1a: Mash D-Scan.
2: Get a scanning ship, check against Corp Bookmarks which sites are already known, scan down all new sites and Corp BM them.
2a: Mash D-Scan.
3: Enter your J-Space static, check for number of anomalies and signatures. Then check for active POS towers and any ships in space.
3a: Mash D-Scan.
4: SCAN ALL THE THINGS! In some holes, this could mean 30+ signatures to scan down, in others it's only a couple. Make Bookmarks of everything. Check any further WH connections and where they lead to. If you're in a Swiss Cheese hole with a dozen connecting wormholes, this increases the risk your fleet will get dunked.
4a: Mash D-Scan.
5: Decide if this connection is 'worth' running. If so, continue this list. If there's too much risk (half a dozen active towers, a dozen battleships on scan, etc, etc), get your Higgs Rigged battleships out again and prepare to roll the hole, return to 1 above.
5a: Mash D-Scan.
6: Get your corpmates/alts together and decide what order to do the sites in the static. Usually I warp to every Gas site I want to run at the start to spawn the sleepers, knock over all the combat sites then return to kill Gas sleepers. Once that's all done, looted and salvaged, it's into the Ventures.
6a: Mash D-Scan.
7: Once the static is depleted of sites to run, return to the home hole to drop off loot, salvage & gas. The loot buyer calculates and makes all payouts. We get the Higgs Rigged Battleships out, rinse and repeat and pray you got the math right and didn't get stuck on the wrong side of a collapsed hole (which WILL happen occasionally, regardless how careful you are).
7a: Mash D-Scan.

On a 'good' night, me and some corpmates might roll our J-Space static five or more times.

So, if you think all I have to do is: log in, scan a site, make ISK, then you'd be wrong. For every hour of actual 'isk printing', there's 15-20 minutes of general faffing around.

edit: just quietly, it's not that difficult or expensive to set yourself up in a wormhole with a few friends. finding a suitable hole to move into is the biggest hurdle.

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Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2016-01-21 06:08:27 UTC
Okay my turn.

Answer me this.

What's so bad about giving the Prospect an extra high slot? And you're answer has to be logical. not tech ii non sense.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#144 - 2016-01-21 06:14:34 UTC
I never said it was a 'bad idea', just that it was unlikely to ever happen and, quite simply, the lack of said fourth highslot in no way diminishes the Prospect's performance doing what it's designed to do.

You carry on like the Prospect is unforgivably broken, when it's clearly nothing of the sort. It's a capable vessel that can safely get into and out of hostile space with far more ease than any other mining platform.

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#145 - 2016-01-21 16:43:48 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Yeah there is a problem. Not all of us live in a wormhole.


How is that a problem? Why should you get all of the benefits of WH income without the risks of living there?

And how is it a problem to find a backwater/empty LS/HS system and scan down a WH chain from there? I did that for a while before permanently moving in.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2016-01-21 17:02:59 UTC
How is this thread 8 pages lon-..........I mean, good job, GD Smile

Leonerd Dice wrote:
Okay my turn.

Answer me this.

What's so bad about giving the Prospect an extra high slot? And you're answer has to be logical. not tech ii non sense.


Mobile Depots. Live by em, hopefully don't die by em. You might as well be saying it needs extra low slots so it can fit more stabs and mining upgrades (it doesn't), or it needs extra midslots so it can fit more tank to survive belt rats (it doesn't), or it needs a drone bay so that it can put up some kind of a fight (it doesn't).

Personally, I'm a huge fan of the mining frigates and use the Prospect the most (although the Endurance is starting to take up equal time). I still undock a Venture for a daytrip every now and then, just for nostalgia Big smile
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#147 - 2016-01-21 17:09:59 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Yeah there is a problem. Not all of us live in a wormhole.

If that's the problem, then just go live there — problem solved.
Not living in a wormhole means that there's even less of a problem of the kind you're trying to suggest.

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Okay my turn.

Answer me this.

What's so bad about giving the Prospect an extra high slot?

Because it doesn't need one. Scanning ships, stations, Orcas, Bowheads, and mobile depots exist for a reason. Your unwillingness to use them does not mean that there is the slightest bit of a problem with the Prospect or that it needs anything more than it has to do its job.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#148 - 2016-01-21 19:46:44 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Okay my turn.

Answer me this.

What's so bad about giving the Prospect an extra high slot? And you're answer has to be logical. not tech ii non sense.


A logical reason was given: It's unbalanced in favour of the Prospect and against those who may hunt you.

There's always choices and trade-offs to be made.
Elwha Lynx
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#149 - 2016-02-05 21:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Elwha Lynx
Prospect has been a nice supplemental income day tripping wormholes since it came out.

It's cargo can easily hold one of the advanced mobile depots, sister core launcher and set of probes while its ability refit, ninja gas sites, and escape after doing among the highest isk/hour activities for a frigate, make it nearly perfect for its purpose.

Leave it alone-- it's one of the best ships in the game.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2016-02-06 11:14:54 UTC
Elwha Lynx wrote:
Prospect has been a nice supplemental income day tripping wormholes since it came out.

It's cargo can easily hold one of the advanced mobile depots, sister core launcher and set of probes while its ability refit, ninja gas sites, and escape after doing among the highest isk/hour activities for a frigate, make it nearly perfect for its purpose.

Leave it alone-- it's one of the best ships in the game.


This ^
CAPTA1N OBVIOUS
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2016-02-06 23:13:46 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
And you're answer has to be logical. not tech ii non sense.




Obviously, that's ridiculous coming from you, you big walking logic-free zone.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#152 - 2016-02-07 17:40:41 UTC
I have carefully read the OP and thought about it.

Everything is wrong.