EVE General Discussion

Because it is also allowed in highsec and there is no reason why it shouldn't be. The only difference is that in highsec, aggression comes at a cost — indeed, that's the the defining characteristic of highsec. Lawlessness is also what creates the critically needed risk in highsec, and it is what is supposed to balance out the ridiculous earning potential that highsec has to offer. It doesn't really succeed in doing so, but that's a slightly different matter.

…and it is. You are just confusing “safer for “safe”. You are probably also labouring under the false assumption that safety is something you are given, not something you create. The way highsec works, you are essentially making a bet that people's miserliness will be enough to keep them from blowing you up on sight. While this wager pays out most of the time, there are no guarantees, and there are quite a few ways in which you can stack the deck against yourself (e.g. the classic loot piñata, where you ensure that it makes more economical sense to attack you than not). Being AFK or otherwise unprepared is another way to stack the deck against yourself, so if the odds are suddenly leaning more towards a loss, then that's exactly how it should be. The smart thing to do is obviously to stop playing into the opponents hand.

Because wanton destruction and non-consentual PvP is a cornerstone of the game. You can never escape it. It's inherent in the multiplayer sandbox concept and CCP has worked very hard to ensure that this concept is fully at play through every aspect of the game, including the part where you fly around in highsec.

This is perhaps another point of confusion if you come at it from a single-player offline perspective and assume that nothing will change once your sandbox is online and includes other people. “Sandbox” does not mean that you can do what you want; it means everyone can do what they want, and that includes doing stuff to you that you don't want them to do. Consequently. EVE is a PvP game through and through: it is a constant struggle of wills — do you get what you want, or do they get what they want? For you to get your way, you have to force your will on others and actively make it so that they don't get theirs. You are not entitled to success in this competition, the way most SP sandboxes are stacked in your favour; you are only entitled to participate and to try to be better than the other guy.

CCP condones ganking because they have worked long and hard to build and maintain a game that allows for exactly that kind of conflict. And again, the only thing that sets highsec apart from other areas of the game is that competition in the form of aggression comes at a material cost.

No, it doesn't because that would go completely against the design principles of the game and the purpose of highsec. The only way for it to make sense was if the exact same thing were true for the mining: completely undesirable and impossible to participate in. There's a very important parity at play here: since you are free to go about your business, they must also be free to go about theirs, otherwise the sandbox is broken on a fundamental level. Where your respective businesses collide and work at cross-purpose is where you have to start being smarter than the opposition to win.

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B-but Tippa...

If what other people do negatively affects what I do without my consent, I have to do things I do not want to do... which means I am doing what others want me to do. Therefore, I cannot do what I want to do.

What is the point of a "sandbox" if I cannot do what I want to do?

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Everyone playing this game does want to have an enjoyable experience, and for pirates that enjoyment come from exploding people and taking their stuff. Why should you get to opt-out of that and ruin their fun?

If you don't find enjoyment in risk of being the prey item for the pirates, you are probably playing the wrong game, or at least playing it wrong. The game is engineered from the ground up to have you at risk to other players whenever you are undocked, and especially when you are generating resources into the economy. Other players have the ability and the right to interfere with you, and you have to account for that.

And pretty much everyone playing has to deal with ship loss, so no it is not "unreasonable" to expect highsec miners to deal with the occasional explosion. CCP has buffed highsec safety so much in recent years, you have to be incredibly unlucky to lose a tanked Skiff or Procurer, even if you leave it undocked and AFK 23.5h a day. The game for you is to balance the risk of ship loss versus yield. You put yourself at great risk for the reward of the impressive mining yield your pimped-out Hulk had, this time you lost. You chose that level of risk so I am not sure what you are complaining about.

Perhaps you just didn't realize all the risks, but hopefully now you do. If you want an "enjoyable", by which I assume you mean low risk experience mining in highsec, look to the example of your fellow miners in the belt in their tanked Skiffs. You might of thought them stupid before for not fitting all the bling yield modules possible on a paper-thin Hulk like you did, but perhaps now you see the wisdom in their choice.

In any case that is the game. Deal with it, or not. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things but understanding what type of game you are playing will probably make your gaming experience much more enjoyable.

I just have one question: have you ever crapped a star?

bc that would be the s__+

amirite?

You know something OP? Since the Dawn of Eve this subject along with *ahem* cloaks have been as a constant reminder that, no matter how many times its that its brought up, shot down, kicked, some people will never truly be satisfied with the answer that is given to them...

UNFORTUNATELY, It is my honest opinion, that CCP made a terrible mistake when, in the not too distant past, they finally gave in to a minority of players who were adamant that Programs like ISBoxer was a form of botting and that it wasn't fair that one person could broadcast to multiple clients. CCP stood behind the statement for many years that as long as a player is behind the keyboard and inputting the key manually, then it was considered fair play. This did not sate the the blind jealously that the players began to fill. As CCPs stance became firmer, they became louder, until a deafening roar could be heard through the forums. "It's not fair!", "It could be manipulated to function using other 3rd Party software." Its not fair to poors." till eventually, CCP collapse from the tremendous weight of tears weight down on them.

It was that day that gave people like you hope. That no matter how wrong you are, as long as your persistence , and that you believe, and that you never give up the struggle. You will eventually succeed in completely destroying Eve Online and the sandbox that we came to know and Love.

IT IS A SANDBOX, BROTHER! IF IT WAS COMPLETELY SAFE, THEN YOU WOULD NOT EVEN NEED TO BE AT YOU COMPUTER PLAYING MOST OF THE TIME, AND WOULD WORK AGAINST IT ACTUALLY INTENTION OF THE GAME.

You obviously dont know me at all....... Wow, just wow....

last paragraph describes null perfectly. are you advocating to get rid of null?

…aside from the complete safety and having to be at your computer most of the time. As the long tradition of AFK piloting (and the shock on the exceedingly rare occasions when it has bad consequences) in highsec shows, it's more a description of that part of space than anything.

…lying. And yes, you should be sorry about that.

Regardless, the fact remains: in highsec, AFK has become so safe and mundane that it has become a widely adopted way of ”playing” the game, to the point where people express shock and complete incredulity, and create non-stop whine threads, every time it doesn't pan out as they (foolishly) expected.

This does not hold true for null for the very obvious reason that you must be attentive to create any safety whatsoever for yourself, so that entire section of space is inherently inoculated against same culture.

So near-infinitely more perilous than in highsec then.

the space lawyer!