Science & Industry

In B4 the flames.

Its that way by poor game design, you know. Industry in nullsec just isn't worth it.

As a highsec dweller, I'd welcome the chance to get established somewhere less crowded, but the markets and the easy ISK faucets are in highsec, and I can't get out without hitting a gatecamp after a few jumps of low.

Plus, pirates, big alliances pushing people around, demands on my time that I just can't meet without sacrificing sleep, and belt rats that'll pop mining ships in a heartbeat.

The reason high sec is popular for industry and trade is because it's high sec.

In low/null you cannot move something without the risk of getting shot, period. In high sec, there is a minimum bar before this becomes profitable to do. ( not including wardecs in this btw, just ganking in general )

I live on the edge of low and nullsec myself, and we have managed to set up a small tradehub locally. It's no Jita, or even Hek,
but it's a tradehub of sorts. And the reason that a tradehub wouldn't work in low sec is because you can't go there with your goodies, or leave there with your new shinies without serious risk.
If you go shopping you don't want to have to look over your shoulder, either as a sellor or as a buyer. you just want to go there, do your thing and leave.
Unless it's deep in sov space, where everybody within 20 jumps is blue, or in high sec, this is not going to happen.

And while you can perfectly manufacture things in low/nullsec, using a POS, or a station, you have the problem of getting the goods to manufacture with. Null sec miners don't mine veldspar, they mine ABC if they can help it.
Thus the market over there, if there even is one, is skewed. The amount of low end minerals you need to manufacture even basic things, especially ships in large numbers, cannot be supported out there. ( maybe in drone space, but that's a whole different story )
The only way you'd be able to do that, is if you imported large amounts of things like tritanium from high sec. And if you're going to import things from high, might as well import modules and ships instead, as this is a lot easier and less hassle. Even if you manufacture them yourself over there.

T2 production suffers even more, because to manufacture T2 components, you need a lot of different moongoo products. And while yes, the moons are out there, having ALL the right moons within your reach to set up a full chain that makes all the products you need to manufacture all the T2 components you need to make say a tech 2 ship, is practicly impossible.
( Especially when you consider something like technetium or dysprosium, which will not be in the hands of a smalltime corp/alliance, even if they would be able control an entire constellation. )

Thus, to do any meaningfull T2 production, you need to have access to a large variety of moongoo products. This means you need a market. And unless everyone who lives in a region is willing to share their bounty on a local market in null sec, this is nog going to happen down there, so again, this means empire high sec markets. And if you're buying the stuff in empire, might as well manufacture over there and then haul the finished goods out.

This is pretty much the biggest hurdle why industry is almost impossible to run on any meaningfull scale in low/nullsec.
And this hurdle is reinforced by itself as well. Because it's there, people won't put up sell orders with all kinds of moongoo products in low/null/sov space, as the stuff won't sell because there's no indies out there doing their thing. And they won't come either, because there's nothing out there for them to manufacture with.

CCP doesn't want you to mine or build items CCP wants you to go and grief as much as possible and if you can hurt them in their RL wallets even better

This whole latest expansion is just about griefing , and worse griefers got CCP attention and approval

Sometimes i am really convinced that CCP made its first step into eliminating industry from their game in favour of PVP only

Instead of giving mostly new players a chance to develop their character in relative safety or create a more stable economic system they seem obsessed with moving us all into nulsec one way or another ,
sadly alot of people take this as a invitation to go out and grief as many industrial players as possible,

one of the reason i finally gave up after 3 years of what was otherwise a great game , but this current ' you play this game my way and no other way' attitude adopted by those hardcore so called pvp players / griefers is driving people away and that is sad

So a few more weeks patience my friends and you will be rid of me

well thank you , probably first time you said something nice about me / end sarcasm

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Bye. Can Spank have your Stuff?

Wait? Who hates high-sec Industrialists?

They build all the shiny toys that everyone uses to PVP. I love our Indy bretheren! Keep building me shinies!

I've always wondered why low-sec NPC stations and the gates don't employ huge honking ECM batteries to deter aggression, and why they don't increase the number of sentries in response to increases in violence. From an RP/logic perspective you would think that the NPC stations and Gates would do more to control what happens on their grid.

The whole problem with trade in low-sec is that it's not "safe" nor can it be made "safe" unless a CCP fiat makes it so, or if CCP allows players to make it safe (i.e. sovereignty, players investing in additional sentries, NPC taxes that purchase additional sentries, setting sentries to be more aggressive/pre-emptive, investing in a local, private mercenary concord-esque force, etc..)

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