Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sorry, question's a bit hard to phrase, but what I mean is, for example -


Caldari Cruiser requires Caldari Frigate IV.

I have Caldari Frigate IV currently training in my queue and there is less than 24 hours remaining on it.

I drag Caldari Cruiser into the queue after Frigate IV, but get told "you must learn Frigate IV first."

Why? It would be simple enough for Cruiser to get knocked back into your Skills at Level 0 should Frigate IV get pulled.


I was kind of hoping this would be silently fixed in Crucible, with all the other fixes and improvements to general little stuff that went on. This is really my only annoyance that I have to work around with the queuing system, and would be a fantastic fix/change!

Thanks!

because if you have "free" SP (e.g. the stuff we got when they killed learning skills), you can pump it into the skill without having the prereq met.

There's probably a clean way to deal with this like you said ...

Or they could go back to "no queue". Those were the days, making sure you had a 12 or 20 hour skill in place for overnight/work, or set the alarm clock to get up a few minutes before the skill ended so you could set the next one... all the while making sure skills wouldn't end during DT.

Actually you can if you wish. When the skill training completes inject the skill and start training it. You'll lose at most one minute of training time.

It would be nice, but on the other hand, defensive design: you just know that it would create a bug where you'd be able to train skills without having the prerequisites yet.

If we shot down every good idea based on it probably being bugged in the first implementation, we wouldn't have anything. The idea of Time Dilation seems to be liked, and it's first try on TQ crashed the node. Doesn't mean it should have never been considered.

Think of the problems that it would create if a player could inject a skill they could not train.

I know the plan, unchanged, will let you have the prerequisites in place. What happens if a player does try to change them? Should they be locked in? Should they be allowed to squeeze skills in?

What happens if you can train more than one new skill?


My point is that while what you are asking for seems simple it really is not. Nothing here addresses the issues that it would create. I would wager the implementation would miss something that a user could viably do which would delete the skill accidentally. You know, like the jump clone problem.

We have absolutely no way of knowing if this is a small change or a big change. To be honest it sounds like a pretty small change if you ask me. Really small.

And I couldn't agree more with Jask, if you factor in that new features can create new bugs, nothing would get done. All new code has bugs and you fix those bugs when you find them.

Be bold, I say! Implement all the awesome features!

I work in IT, so working with code like CCP do gives a fair bit of incite into what is required and what can break.

Code has to be written, documented and understood by all, it has to be scrutinized for errors and possible weaknesses to where it can break in future.

So despite it being a small change to the users (us as paying customers), the behind the scenes code could be short and immensely long!

There may be a way of implementing this, such as the skills would be locked. You could ofc add the locked skills to the queue, but they would only train if the prereqs were reached at that point. If you hadn't reached the required skills, your training would stop until you next logged in and manually started it.

This will of course create it's own problems and most likely will lead to a large increase in petitions. Personally I just train another skill and change it when I log in next.

+1
It's a small change, should be simple enough to implement without creating new bugs.