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Calculate the amount of required Moon Minerals?
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Swiss Overtrading Industries
Wombo United
#1 - 2016-01-21 15:56:43 UTC
Hi Capsulears

anybody know a tool & easy way to calculate the required Moon Minerals for the Production?
"EVE Industry" show me only the required complex reactions! and so i have to calculate manually how much and what kind of simple reactions and moon minerals i need to harvest.

fly safe S.O.I.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2016-01-22 00:44:59 UTC
Oh dear. Please, please don't try to vertically integrate T2 production. That way lies madness.
Capsups
Atomic Mangocorp
#3 - 2016-01-22 08:15:14 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Oh dear. Please, please don't try to vertically integrate T2 production. That way lies madness.


I'll agree with Zhilia here. I don't know of any tools that calculates this for you as it's a pretty ridiculous idea you've got. Doing JUST enough of every single complex reaction isn't something anybody does (I don't hope so, for their sanity atleast).

If you are ABSOLUTELY determined to do this (and I urge you to drop it) you could do it pretty easily yourself with a spreadsheet.
Swiss Overtrading Industries
Wombo United
#4 - 2016-01-31 13:07:22 UTC
Hi Friends

thanks for your answers. im a bitt confused. why should i not want to know the basic moon material? is it not like PI? i need to know how much base moon material i need. otherwise i build the wrong POS on the wrong moon and have a bad balanced input in the production manufactering.

or do i see something wrong?

fly safe S.O.I.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2016-01-31 15:28:05 UTC
Swiss Overtrading Industries wrote:
Hi Friends

thanks for your answers. im a bitt confused. why should i not want to know the basic moon material? is it not like PI? i need to know how much base moon material i need. otherwise i build the wrong POS on the wrong moon and have a bad balanced input in the production manufactering.

or do i see something wrong?

fly safe S.O.I.



If you are building the exact same T2 item like 10,000+ times, then maybe, possibly, you could make this work...maybe

If you build more than 1 T2 item the numbers change and you will spend 95% of the time chasing your tail.

Also, reactions in general make isk, so do the reactions, use what you need and sell the rest to make more isk. Be careful as some items actually devalue the end product and you would have been better off selling the advanced moon materials
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2016-02-01 22:26:14 UTC
Swiss Overtrading Industries wrote:
Hi Friends

thanks for your answers. im a bitt confused. why should i not want to know the basic moon material? is it not like PI? i need to know how much base moon material i need. otherwise i build the wrong POS on the wrong moon and have a bad balanced input in the production manufactering.

or do i see something wrong?

fly safe S.O.I.


Moon mining is not really that much like PI, no. When doing PI your investment is both minimal and more or less invulnerable. Moon mining requires you to set up a tower in 0.4 or lower (so low or null sec). Your tower is immediately vulnerable to attack.

Furthermore, moon mining can only be done by one entity at each moon. If someone else is there first you must either take it from them by force (or, hah, diplomacy) or move on. As such, there simply aren't any R64 or R32 moons available for you to work with; large entities have taken those. Wars are fought over them. And so you have to buy them on market to run reactions.

So then we get to the possibility of harvesting low end moon mats and combining them with high ends on your own. You *might* be able to make this profitable. However, you will need the right moons both to harvest what you need and to run reactions. Ideally, these moons are near high sec -- or at least near enough that you don't have to make multiple jumps in your JF to keep them supplied. Oh, and yes, you do need a jump freighter to make this work in any reasonable way. And your towers are still vulnerable to whoever comes along, so it would be prudent to write those off as soon as you anchor them.

If you're really up for that: great. Now make yourself a spreadsheet. None exist to my knowledge. You're going to need a good spread of all moon mats, a collection of all possible reactions, a JF, several towers, fuel, defenses, etc. Make sure you account for all that. See how many reactions you can do in a day, week, month. Subtract off your costs for doing them. I highly suspect that you're nowhere near breaking even just on isk, let alone time invested.

Then consider your plan again. You will almost certainly end up buying advanced materials on the market like the rest of us.
Swiss Overtrading Industries
Wombo United
#7 - 2016-02-04 14:42:08 UTC
hi dear capsulears

ok, you convince me! so will follow your advice.

thanks for your council fly safe S.O.I.