Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I personally feel the super scram is a lil OP for a ship that is supposed to mainly be a heavy tackle against super caps. I understand that the long scram gives the ship some additional uses outside of super tackling. However, i find it a bit silly that a HIC has a longer scram range than a linked and pimp fit Lach/Arazu/Proteus, which are ships with dedicated to having long point/scrams. If you want to be anti kiter, then pimpfit one of those ships, we don't need a dual HIC point devoter with dual 1600's rocking a 100k+ EHP tank being fed 5 resebo's on gate camps.

I honestly think they should add an additional focused script, one that provides the scram, but at shortened range, around 20KM or so. Still get a very long scram, but a lach/arazu/prot with pimp scram will have more range, which makes alittle more sense.

Based on my experiences in small gang 0.0 fights, I still think HICs are just fine. Some kiters are dying who would not have died before, but this is unequivocally a good thing. With that said, I don't know what kind of lunacy is going on in Low Sec.

Please provide some statistics to prove your claims.
Because the statistics don't seem to be supporting 'they are everywhere'.
And the HIC is a highly specialised tackle ship, it should be good at tackle. The Lachesis is an Ewar ship, with bonuses to other things as well as the long range point and scram, on which I would note that a long range point significantly outranges the HIC tackle range, keeping it with a valid niche even when we talk just about tackle, let alone it's actual primary role which is Ewar.
If we are complaining that the Lachesis is no longer the king of tackle, we should go back and actually reassess our priorities when an Ewar ship is a better tackler than a dedicated tackle ship.

hmmm.... i can only compare January. December, due to holidays, might very well be more active than other months. Sure, the number of HIC's in use is increasing, but that was the idea behind the buff.

We have approx. ~300 different ships in eve, 4 of them are HIC's.
So 100%/(300/4)= would be ~1.333%, not 0.22%. (i'm fully aware that this calculation is quite wrong, but let's take it as a rough estimate).

What I'm trying to say is "... overnight they are "everywhere" ... totally not op! " is not true. 0.22% is NOT a problem.


Yes, they're powerful heavy tacklers. But that's what they're specialised in. For 300m+ ISK and a ton of SP-requirements that's fine with me.



I didn't mean to derail the thread, so back to topic:

1.) I don't think it's overpowered. Very powerful? sure. overpowered? I don't think so. I would be ok with there being multiple scripts, one for the infi-point "as is" and one for the infi-scram with slightly reduced range (20-25k).

2.) We could then give the T2 version a range multiplier for the scripts or so. "x1.1" or "x1.2"

...having t2 modules that are almost never used over their faction counterpart is not really good design, unless the faction variant costs you a lot more money.

Sure they are not everywhere, that was an overstatement, but 30-40Km scrams are overpowered, as are 90% webs or orthrus and garmurs as far as tackle goes (these 2 more of a problem when linked or with implants) ! Not many ships / fits will manage to break tackle and get away.

And that 0.22% is a 300% + increase! (if my math is right) :P

The difference between me losing an orthrus (classic kiting ship) and you crying about not being able to kite everything is that I'm not crying.

Keep talking!

Enumerate afterburner fitted frigate, destroir or crusier faster than a mwd hictor.
Frigates probably not that hard, above that I can only think of oversized ab fits or sansha ships.

Oh and btw ... before more people start calling me a crying ****** kitter...
I don't think hictors need change has they are... just don't try to sell me that 30-40Km scrams are not OP because they are!