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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#121 - 2016-02-01 10:39:29 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple.



Why stop there?
Cometopappa
Doomheim
#122 - 2016-02-01 11:07:42 UTC
One of dumbest threads ever.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2016-02-02 00:50:17 UTC
Cometopappa wrote:
One of dumbest threads ever.


Thank you for your valuable, well thought out input. I'm glad you took time out of your busy day to write such an informative and riveting post, you have more than lived up to your exceptional reputation as a player that has nothing but positive things to say about Eve and the people who play this wonderful game.

Your parents must be very proud of your accomplishments that they bought for you since you don't want to work for them yourself.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#124 - 2016-02-02 04:59:52 UTC
Alea wrote:
Thank you for your valuable, well thought out input. I'm glad you took time out of your busy day to write such an informative and riveting post, you have more than lived up to your exceptional reputation as a player that has nothing but positive things to say about Eve and the people who play this wonderful game.

Your parents must be very proud of your accomplishments that they bought for you since you don't want to work for them yourself.


About as well thought out as this thread is in the first place, since it's nothing but a giant hissy fit.

Have you stopped being a hypocrite and posted with a non-forum alt yet?
Erotisk Folkdans
Club Autism
#125 - 2016-02-02 14:07:55 UTC
Alea wrote:

Not wanting to do a lame


Too late, you already did it.

Damn, this thread was embarrassing for you OP.

sp trading is the best thing since sliced bittervet
Frank Pannon
Emerald Swine Escavations
#126 - 2016-02-02 14:25:00 UTC
This thread is ... stupid.
Altair Taurus
#127 - 2016-02-02 14:44:00 UTC
Mabe some ISD could close this idiotic thread?
Krevnos
Back Door Burglars
#128 - 2016-02-02 15:47:01 UTC
I don't grief players in Eve simply for the sake of making their game time miserable.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#129 - 2016-02-02 15:53:54 UTC
Cometopappa wrote:
One of dumbest threads ever.




It's right up there with your ****** Christmas present whine-fest.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Lathael
Liga der aussergewoehnlichen Tattergreise
#130 - 2016-02-02 19:05:49 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Betting on stupid is often pretty safe.
There are always going to be people under the misconception that ISK + SP = WIN.
It doesn't.
Maxed skills in a ship doesn't mean the player actually has any real idea how to effectively apply those skills.
That's one of those things I've always loved about EVE, what the player understands and is able to apply has a greater impact than the numbers on their character sheet.

Even without SP injection there are plenty of delusional nooblets out there flying billion ISK battlecruisers, complete with spinning rims and party lighting, drunk on their own overconfidence.

Adding the SP injectors wont magically turn them into vets, it's just going to fast track them to their first shiny battleship loss.
It's up to us as responsible capsuleers to capitalize on their greed and overconfidence, and in the process help enlighten them in the error of their ways. Be an educator!


No! You are wrong!

I am pretty sure I can fit that projected ECM into my frigate....

It has to fit....

Blink
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2016-02-03 03:42:01 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
Alea wrote:
Thank you for your valuable, well thought out input. I'm glad you took time out of your busy day to write such an informative and riveting post, you have more than lived up to your exceptional reputation as a player that has nothing but positive things to say about Eve and the people who play this wonderful game.

Your parents must be very proud of your accomplishments that they bought for you since you don't want to work for them yourself.


About as well thought out as this thread is in the first place, since it's nothing but a giant hissy fit.

Have you stopped being a hypocrite and posted with a non-forum alt yet?


If you would take the time to read any of my responses to the same question you would already have your answer.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2016-02-03 03:44:32 UTC
Krevnos wrote:
I don't grief players in Eve simply for the sake of making their game time miserable.


I live in null so that happens every day.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2016-02-03 07:09:44 UTC
Alea wrote:


Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will.



The idea and suggestion forum is downstairs.
Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
#134 - 2016-02-03 11:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Warlord Balrog
Varro Octavius wrote:
I'm so confused with this game, it's an mmorpg right? Different people from all different walks of life, all corners of the globe coming together to play this game.

I really wish I was in a better position in life @ 2004 when this game released but I was 16 with a clapped out PC that just about got me through school and college. I didn't have the spare cash at that age to replace it or even afford a sub to this game.

Guess what, life changes, and now I can. I have a machine that can run as many clients as I like.

So to the OP, glad you were in a nice position in life 10 years ago but some of us weren't, this option gives people a chance to catch up and MOST IMPORTANTLY it will bring more completion to the game.



The vets are too old to use that husk that housed a brain once. They cannot realize things such as these. For those that have been around long enough, but don't have the SP to back it up, this brings us into the world of competition. But ya know, as I've always said, "A person is smart, PEOPLE ARE STUPID". Judging by the hundreds of posts since the topic of skill trading was first discussed in public it becomes more and more apparent!

One thing you're all missing is the fact that once these babies are released, we can take toons from the bazaar and cycle them into meaningful purchases. No more dank histories, old feuds, or any other negativity to buying them. Just burn the mind and make em useful to YOU, the consumer.

Another happy thing is, we can burn our old toons that wouldn't fetch it's worth on the bazaar and make a toon (or few toons) to sell on the bazaar with all those excess SP we don't need or use. So many possibilities my head is spinning :P No pun inteded.

So in short, anyone complaining or trollling in here you are just showing YOUR OWN STUPIDITY! If you don't like it, don't use it. But don't take away something beneficial to someone else just because you lack the brain cells from living in your own little bubble. And as mentioned here before, teaching is one of the ways of making the game better for everyone, SO TEACH! That is, if you're feeble mind is capable.

/E: Oh, and by the way, if you don't like this then you should NOT like respecs, but I don't hear any of you complaining about it!
Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
#135 - 2016-02-03 12:08:24 UTC
Alea wrote:
Kyra Lee wrote:
So back to the topic of the OP.

As for tracking and hunting down players that have injected SP it will be tough to do. One way to start is by participating in the system. Sell SP injectors(obtain them however you want) yourself and then watchlist anyone who buys them from you. It's true that it may be some alt or an alliance level logistics officer who purchases them but at least its a start. I would be willing to bet that most players will buy the injectors on the character that is going to use them. Cargo scanning ships as the undock in hubs and looking for injectors and extractors is another way to go about it. Gaining the intel is the hard part.

On a personal note I don't feel that identifying anyone ingame who injects SP is a good thing. Something like that should be reserved for a full API.


CCP may agree with you but I feel if you're going to artificially enhance your character it should be reflected somewhere in that characters information.

To be honest what I want is easy mode SP injection identification, I want to be able to look at a characters information and see if it has been artificially enhanced, SP amount and times injected need not to be reflected but the action should be..

In reality the above will most likely never happen as that may bring undo attention to players who use that feature, which goes against CCPs cuddling of players who want to be safe everywhere.


In the meantime, let's add YOUR real name and location geotag into your characters PUBLIC info ...how's that sound? You're asking for all of the information without any work done on your part. So in return this shall be done for us. Sounds fair, right?
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#136 - 2016-02-03 12:33:26 UTC
Warlord Balrog wrote:
anyone complaining or trollling in here you are just showing YOUR OWN STUPIDITY!


Oh really?

Warlord Balrog wrote:
The vets are too old to use that husk that housed a brain once.

Warlord Balrog wrote:
A person is smart, PEOPLE ARE STUPID

Warlord Balrog wrote:
because you lack the brain cells from living in your own little bubble

Warlord Balrog wrote:
if you're feeble mind is capable


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MidnightWyvern
Fukamichi Corporation
SAYR Galactic
#137 - 2016-02-03 14:21:17 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Silver linings and whatnot.
Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions.
Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps.
Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears.

This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid.

I for one look forward to dining on space veal.

THAT is what I can't wait for.

Gonna be so much juicy cannon fodder, and the best part is they'll think they're hot **** so they won't try to run away.Blink

Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS!

Alts: Saray Wyvern, Mobius Wyvern (Dust 514)
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#138 - 2016-02-03 14:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
Are you coming to the creek?

https://youtu.be/RNYqpjeJaT4

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2016-02-03 16:15:53 UTC
Since when do you need a GOOD reason to shoot at people in this game lol. Hell half the time people get shot at its just because they happen to be there and are in range.

Doing something like going after a specific set people that requires you to do research to find targets then find them and catch them just makes things more interesting. Or more boring if you dont care for that type of thing. I dont see anything wrong with this since it just limits targets from the usual shoot anything that moves.

I agree with the greifing part though. I wouldn't gank people in highsec for it or anything. Wardec sure because that gives them warning but legitimate greifing no. I dont believe the OP was planning on actually griefing anyway.

It sounds like it could be fun and I might even be willing to tag along assuming I knew and trusted the people I was with at all. Although it could be really boring trying to find people as well.

It sounds like skill trading might be programmed to where it wont be as abused as I think it might be, and I have no issues doing this to trade SP between your own accounts, but I am on the list of people that dont like the idea of skill injectors being on the market "because reasons", so I have no issue with this.

If its something you dont want to do, or if it sounds stupid to you compared to other ways or reasons to PVP fine. I dont see how anyone could have any issues with it however since its just shooting people and we already do that all day. Said people will get shot at randomly regardless if there in a situation to get shot by "injector user hunters" to begin with so nothing really changes. It would just give some people something a little different to do.
Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
#140 - 2016-02-03 19:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Orion Pax
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Ive already started earmarking where I can benefit from such things on mains and alts. Theres really a plethora of situations where it will be VERY handy. And for those sitting on 80mil SP plus a skill injector will destroy more SP than it gives to the player. Its really not a bad situation for the integrity of SP.

In the example I posted previously of a 80mil SP toon gaining another 100mil SP youd have to harvest 333.5mil SP to do so. Thats a HUGE net SP loss. Now think of how many 5mil + toons will do so as everyone OVER 5mil SPs will create a net loss of SPs. You do the math and realize how many spare SP are going to be destroyed and how much MORE value YOUR precious puritan SP will contain and hold after this. This is like the Fed reserve destroying dollars and reversing inflation.



It's pretty obvious that the net SP will be a loss. There's no question about that. However the average amount of SP a main toon will have will go up substantially. Overall everyone's main will have more SP and there will be a lot less toons with lesser amounts of SP. Most of the toons with less SP, on a relative scale, will be used to farm SP and it will be used for one's main or to sell for isk. Overall it devalues the worth of SP since you can buy it and use it to customize your toon as much as you'd like. Sure CCP will initially have a huge rush in sales but in the long run, I can see CCP losing customers due to instant gratification.

Think about it this way, you have a dream car you want to buy, and you've spent years working towards it. You spend all your time and energy researching and learning about it and working that odd job to save a little extra. Finally the day comes and you buy your dream car. However you just happen to win the exact same car through a raffle. Both are new, and are exactly the same. But say you need some extra cash to pay for some expense. Which one do you think you're going to sell?

Easy come, easy go. Eve Online will be losing a lot of value due to this choice.


EDIT: People are taking the analogy about the dream car very literally. The analogy's meaning is about "hard earned" vs "easily earned". The SP injection system makes it easier to gain SP, so there's a loss in value because now you can buy it with money. You don't have to earn it through patience and perseverance. It's less "rare", and more easily obtainable, so it's worth less.