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Altair Taurus
#21 - 2016-02-02 23:28:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
OK! Astero with scout drones can run DED 3/10 sites but I am not sure about all DED 4/10 sites. For instance Serpentis DED 4/10 site consists of Phi-Outpost Protector battleship as its final boss. This battleship's tank is hard to break. Lately I broke it flying Onyx dealing ~600 DPS but it took me a moment. On the other hand Guristas DED 4/10 site is easier. I ran it in Rook and you can meet cruisers (including overseers) as largest rat ships - all quite easy to destroy but jamming frigates can be a bit annoying at times.

Maybe someone else can tell something informative about Sansha and Bloods DED 4/10 sites.
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
#22 - 2016-02-03 00:01:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Funky Koval
Altair Taurus wrote:
On the other hand Guristas DED 4/10 site is easier. I ran it in Rook and there are cruisers (including overseer) as largest rats - quite easy to destroy.


You probably meant Angel 4/10, Guristas Scout Outpost does not have an overseer cruiser, but a structure ("telescope" type, IIRC).

Sansha 4/10 is basically identical to the Angel one, while the Blood one has a ton of stasis towers and neuting cruisers, so it's certainly the most difficult one to solo for an Astero.

I am also not sure if Astero can break the Phi Outpost Protector's tank, but if it can, I'd say Mul-Zatah Monastery (blood 4/10) is definitely the harder of the two.

The other three shouldn't pose any significant issues, I have ran them in assault frigs in the past, so an Astero should manage as well.

The thing is, all the 4/10s have one thing in common - the second room is very easy to blitz if you have good damage projection, that's why a sentry Stratios is perfect for running them. Just snipe the overseer / structure, then either bookmark the wreck/can, warp out and wait a bit for despawn, or - if you can tank the damage - just burn to the loot and grab it immediately.

It takes about 3, maybe 4 minutes tops to run Mul-Zatah in a Stratios (or Ishtar etc).


One last strange coincidence ... I logged back into the game a while ago, I was still browsing the forums (this thread among them) so I casually scanned the sigs in my current base system... found a 4/10, ran it and it actually dropped 325 mil in loot, which i think is the most I *ever* got from a sansha 4/10 (angels and guristas can occasionally drop more than that, though).
T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-02-03 10:00:14 UTC
You probably meant Angel 4/10, Guristas Scout Outpost does not have an overseer cruiser, but a structure ("telescope" type, IIRC).

I run that site yesterday in Astero,forgot to mention that....
Altair Taurus
#24 - 2016-02-03 11:51:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Funky Koval wrote:

You probably meant Angel 4/10, Guristas Scout Outpost does not have an overseer cruiser, but a structure ("telescope" type, IIRC).


What are you talking about???

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Guristas_Scout_Outpost

Quote:

1 x (Overseer Cruiser) Guristas Scout Officer (wreck contains 7th Tier Overseer's Personal Effects and may contain Dread Guristas Cruiser Modules and may produce Tech 2 salvage)


I know there is a Telescope (more precisely radio telescope) in the second room which contains valuable loot but it's a bit difficult to assume that Telescope could be an overseer because this is not a ship, IMO.
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
#25 - 2016-02-03 12:48:53 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:

Quote:

1 x (Overseer Cruiser) Guristas Scout Officer (wreck contains 7th Tier Overseer's Personal Effects and may contain Dread Guristas Cruiser Modules and may produce Tech 2 salvage)



Ah THAT overseer cruiser Shocked forgot about it (tbh it's been over 2 years I think since I last ran GSO). Anyway, it don;t think it ever dropped anything of value for me, perhaps that's why I discounted it.

Quote:

I know there is a Telescope (more precisely radio telescope) in the second room which contains valuable loot but it's a bit difficult to assume that Telescope could be an overseer because this is not a ship, IMO.


That's why I called it an "overseer structure", it also drops overseer effects. There are many more examples of those in higher rated plexes.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#26 - 2016-02-03 15:06:52 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
OK! Astero with scout drones can run DED 3/10 sites but I am not sure about all DED 4/10 sites. For instance Serpentis DED 4/10 site consists of Phi-Outpost Protector battleship as its final boss. This battleship's tank is hard to break. Lately I broke it flying Onyx dealing ~600 DPS but it took me a moment. On the other hand Guristas DED 4/10 site is easier. I ran it in Rook and you can meet cruisers (including overseers) as largest rat ships - all quite easy to destroy but jamming frigates can be a bit annoying at times.

Maybe someone else can tell something informative about Sansha and Bloods DED 4/10 sites.


Dude, I've killed that BS with a Svipul, Confessor, and Hecate; and didn't break a sweat.
Altair Taurus
#27 - 2016-02-03 16:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
LOL! Great achievement! Dude, those stupidly overpowered Tactical Destroyers are able to push out 500-750 DPS...
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#28 - 2016-02-04 04:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Lulu Lunette
Hey I ran two Serpentis 4/10 today with my Astero with nothing but Hobs. I use a shield one and my fit is cap stable so just gotta find something to orbit 30km and wait. Didn't grt the best drops but it's doable. Cool

@lunettelulu7
T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-02-04 08:07:56 UTC
Lulu you did not need to warp out of combat?I ask becouse I need to warp out few times running Guristas outpost and lost some preciuos time.
Maybe shield fit is better then armor...more dps.I hoped that armor fit will be good for SOE ships but now I see a lot of pilots using shield...Sad
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#30 - 2016-02-04 14:18:15 UTC
T'senei wrote:
Lulu you did not need to warp out of combat?I ask becouse I need to warp out few times running Guristas outpost and lost some preciuos time.
Maybe shield fit is better then armor...more dps.I hoped that armor fit will be good for SOE ships but now I see a lot of pilots using shield...Sad


Lulu was prolly orbiting at a speed of 1000+m/s, which greatly reduces the damage from Serpentis guns.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#31 - 2016-02-05 05:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lulu Lunette
T'senei wrote:
Lulu you did not need to warp out of combat?I ask becouse I need to warp out few times running Guristas outpost and lost some preciuos time.
Maybe shield fit is better then armor...more dps.I hoped that armor fit will be good for SOE ships but now I see a lot of pilots using shield...Sad


Quote:


[Astero, Lulu]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Small Ancillary Current Router I


Hobgoblin II x15

Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8


This is what I've been using the last day or two on highsec Serpentis escalations. Don't have to warp out, except for one time I got hung up on the station looking structure in a 4/10. Otherwise this thing is great so far Smile

I'll have to get up towards Jita and try out a Gurista 4/10 with it.

@lunettelulu7
Mazare Mircea
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#32 - 2016-02-07 00:55:43 UTC
T'senei wrote:
Hello!

It has been more than 2 years since I last flew a ship in EVE and now I am back.At that time I have been doing some missions but never combat sites.As I was about to sell this avatar ,all my ships and stuff went to market and all ISK to my corp.All I have now is Astero fitted for exploration and some ISK for about two more fits like that.

I decided to go for exploration becouse there is so mch to explore and for now this will be in higs sec.Missions are too boring for me.

So can anyone please tell me can you plex with doing combat sites in Astero and which DED site is limit for that ship assuming that I got good skills for this little djinn:),DED 3/10 or 4/10?
Would it be better to go for Stratios and can Stration run DED 5/10?

I must notice that my cargo holds both data and relic analyzers which I refitt in space ,so thats why Astero and Stratios would be my no1 choice.

I really would apriciate any answer given

Fly safe!
T.





Astero can run :
1/10 - all
2/10 - all (have not tested the guristas, the final room might be a problem without a purpose fit)
3/10 - all, but the npc's will go for drones, and there will be lots of NPC's; i switch to a light tank of eanm + small repper, 2 dda's, use augmented goblins and in the mids mwd, 2 cap rechargers and sensor booster
4/10 - sansha can be done (based on what i read), guristas can probably done with a very specific fit (ab, repper perma running, strong kinetic tank), blood can be done with the same 3/10 fit (the sensor booster and having 3-4 levels of advanced drone avionics is crucial ... use fed navy goblins here because some drones will probably die), and i assume angel one is doable too. Serpentis one is not doable, your dps is low, rats go for drones a lot and you need to kill a bunch of them before killing the boss in that situation, and the boss can probably tank 150dps even if it's pure thermal.

Astero shines in 1-2/10, data sites (not ghost sites) and the ocasional 3/10 or 4/10 in an empty system that you might find.

As for plex, i have no idea if you were refering to the 30d game extension item or if it's short for complex ...
Paying for a 30d plex with an Astero's hard work is certainly doable though.
Mazare Mircea
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2016-02-07 01:00:21 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
OK! Astero with scout drones can run DED 3/10 sites but I am not sure about all DED 4/10 sites. For instance Serpentis DED 4/10 site consists of Phi-Outpost Protector battleship as its final boss. This battleship's tank is hard to break. Lately I broke it flying Onyx dealing ~600 DPS but it took me a moment. On the other hand Guristas DED 4/10 site is easier. I ran it in Rook and you can meet cruisers (including overseers) as largest rat ships - all quite easy to destroy but jamming frigates can be a bit annoying at times.

Maybe someone else can tell something informative about Sansha and Bloods DED 4/10 sites.


If your Onyx had about 600dps, you were probably using kin damage.
That npc is weak to thermal, much weaker.

On thermal, 250dps i know for sure can do it (but not very fast).
Nobax
New Eden Mining Organisation
The Craftsmen
#34 - 2016-02-09 13:50:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nobax
Mazare Mircea wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
OK! Astero with scout drones can run DED 3/10 sites but I am not sure about all DED 4/10 sites. For instance Serpentis DED 4/10 site consists of Phi-Outpost Protector battleship as its final boss. This battleship's tank is hard to break. Lately I broke it flying Onyx dealing ~600 DPS but it took me a moment. On the other hand Guristas DED 4/10 site is easier. I ran it in Rook and you can meet cruisers (including overseers) as largest rat ships - all quite easy to destroy but jamming frigates can be a bit annoying at times.

Maybe someone else can tell something informative about Sansha and Bloods DED 4/10 sites.


If your Onyx had about 600dps, you were probably using kin damage.
That npc is weak to thermal, much weaker.

On thermal, 250dps i know for sure can do it (but not very fast).
Can confirm I did it in a worm using auto-tageting infernos / hobgobs ~230dps. Took a few minutes though.

The worm is great for DED sites and can run everything in highsec easily, shame it has no utility high slot. Currently playing with ishkur fits for 3-4/10 sites, it works pretty well.
Biff Parker
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#35 - 2016-03-21 12:45:29 UTC
Hey guys,

Sorry to interrupt, but can someone please explain the different combat sites and how to determine their difficulty? What is 3/10, 4/10 etc?

Also, today I took out my Astero fitted with dual drone amplifiers, duel nano pump+ armor rep (cap stable) etc... I just wasn't able to do enough damage with my drones (hobgobs) on the larger ship's. Was in one pos for 2 hours and had to give up!
I tried wormhole space and low sec combat sites for a whole day... and decided to give up. It seems just easier to go relic/data hacking for isk in wormhole space (avoiding the sleeper sites). Why is combat exploration so difficult? I'm down to my last 100 mill and need a plan for making good isk. I'm resorting to an Astero fit for relic/data sites. This fit wI'll focus entirely on being slippery, ie, duel prop, duel nano fibre, duel warp stabilizers, and agility rigs... and of course data/relic anals.

Part of me doesn't want to give up on combat sites as it's more engaging.. and maybe more profitable? I don't know.

Would appreciate someone's time here 😊

Biff
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#36 - 2016-03-21 20:21:00 UTC
There is an easy solution:

do not use an astero for DED 4/10 sites. (there are great descriptions around in the internet for all sites).

better use a cruiser for them.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2016-03-23 00:39:55 UTC
Biff Parker wrote:
Hey guys,

Sorry to interrupt, but can someone please explain the different combat sites and how to determine their difficulty? What is 3/10, 4/10 etc?

Biff


DED = Directive Enforcement Department - Concord Corporation - they have placed a rating system on known Pirate and Rogue Drone Deadspace sites.

There's 10 different levels of DED Cosmic Signature complexes ranging from 1/10 to 10/10.

The DED rating also indicates what types of ships the acceleration gates will allow (A player may also access a DED site using ship types from a DED rating below the rating of the complex).

1/10 Frigate
2/10 Destroyer
3/10 Cruiser
4/10 Battlecruiser
5/10 Battleship


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Biff Parker
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#38 - 2016-03-26 22:43:41 UTC
DMC, you're a legend mate.. thanks for this. Superb!
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-03-27 21:40:04 UTC
Asteros are more common for Data/Relic exploration.

Combat anomaly soloing is Stratios.
KeyserSoze
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2016-04-03 00:31:06 UTC
Nobax wrote:
Mazare Mircea wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
OK! Astero with scout drones can run DED 3/10 sites but I am not sure about all DED 4/10 sites. For instance Serpentis DED 4/10 site consists of Phi-Outpost Protector battleship as its final boss. This battleship's tank is hard to break. Lately I broke it flying Onyx dealing ~600 DPS but it took me a moment. On the other hand Guristas DED 4/10 site is easier. I ran it in Rook and you can meet cruisers (including overseers) as largest rat ships - all quite easy to destroy but jamming frigates can be a bit annoying at times.

Maybe someone else can tell something informative about Sansha and Bloods DED 4/10 sites.


If your Onyx had about 600dps, you were probably using kin damage.
That npc is weak to thermal, much weaker.

On thermal, 250dps i know for sure can do it (but not very fast).
Can confirm I did it in a worm using auto-tageting infernos / hobgobs ~230dps. Took a few minutes though.

The worm is great for DED sites and can run everything in highsec easily, shame it has no utility high slot. Currently playing with ishkur fits for 3-4/10 sites, it works pretty well.

whats your fit for the ishkur?
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