Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Actually NS can be a great place to do some types of industry in that local production is rather cheap...most taxes related to building, copying researching and inventing are at or near zero. The problem is logistics. Getting stuff to and from trade hubs to do the industry is problematic. Further, I believe some moon minerals are still regional (I think, been awhile since I looked so I could be wrong). When I was living in Cloud Ring it was not a problem since it was literally 1 jump from HS.

And as for logistics, if anything fatigue as made it worse--i.e. more expensive not less.

Another problem is that markets in NS are very thin. How to "thicken" them up--i.e. make them more liquid will be the tricky part. That will entail not just getting people out there building and selling stuff--i.e. the supply side, but also the demand side as well. The only ones who have really had much success doing this are goons. So what exactly do you intend to do to get more people out there buying stuff off of NS markets?

Buff short-range logistics.

I'm tossing around a few ideas but I haven't got very far in coming up with actual ways to accomplish this. More importantly at this stage I am pointing out that if short-range logistics were buffed enough to make it better compete with long-range logistics, without buffing long-range logistics, then areas of high nullsec population would have a much easier time consolidating their market resources together without being forced to run all business from one station.

I am not going to say there is a problem. I think some of CCPs actions may of had unintended consequences that they just havent made it a priority to deal with. Likely they expected more people to get out of high sec and stop playing in the kiddie pool. From my perspective, i think highsec was more intended for newbies to learn and to allow players to take a break from constant death and destruction .. sort of like a refuge.

Then you have the whole moon goo thing. It gave alliances reasons to control vast amounts of space for no reason other to mine moo goo and make mega profits.

If i were going to improve the situation... i would shrink high sec by about 50% and turn 3/4 of that into null and the other quarter into low. I would then fracture high sec into "islands" surrounded by low and null and scattered throughout Kspace. This would create a lot of smaller local market hubs Rather than one continuous region of high sec market.

I would then change salvage so that it is no longer faction specific but so all factions drop everything. I would then change moo goo mining so that it is done at the player level and not the corporate/ alliance level using a system similar to PI but without all the "industry" components. The raw goo would still need to be transported off the moon for industry use. Reactions and T2 production would be done in citadels just like your T1 items.


So basically i would spread everyone out, distribute resources evenly across eve, so that their was no need to import and make moon mining player based. Now the obvious problem is then what would people have to fight over? Players in eve will pvp just because they can, They dont need a reason other than the total and complete destruction of someone elses stuff.

Thats what i would do if there was a problem and i was going to fix it.

Short range logistics is already superior to Jita long range logistics. If people were more open to NRDS instead of NBSI and would open up freeport stations in their border areas where you can trade, for instance, moon minerals with local neighbors, Jit would lose some appeal. But people are stupid and simply think about how to abuse this kind of freeport for their own benefits for the only purpose of destruction and not trade, that is one of the big flaws in the EVE societies that impedes local null trade outside truly neutral grounds (ie. NPC space). However, this still does not change the fact that many moon minerals are not available locally and concentrated in different corners of the universe, which means that you have to travel to a trade center in the middle regardless where everything is collected and available at one place. Your suggestion would make production in Null nigh impossible. Furthermore, people also do not pay close attention to the market. I have begun to use buy orders in my Null home for some highly sought after meta modules. However, due to laziness, ignorance, greed to get more money in Jita instead of supplying the home market or some other counterproductive factor, the yield from these BOs could not nearly keep up with the demand, so I have to import from a central hub regardless. This is also something that is going to be very annoying with Citadels and Amarisen's suggestion. If people cannot sell their stuff to my BOs in their ratting system, they will bother even less to check the market and I will have to import even more.

So change nothing? That is, after all, already the case. You can get all possible salvage from Rouge Drone wrecks and T2 materials via alchemy. Minerals are in equal supply everywhere thanks to Ihub Ore Anomalies. What it comes down to, yet again, is effort as well as lack of flexibility and insufficient scope to deal with sudden demand that must be filled within a day or two, or within hours.