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Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game?

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Trader20
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2016-01-31 19:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Trader20
W33b3l wrote:
Trader20 wrote:
New player with snakes and faction fit man this guy won eve, or just grab your corp mates for an impressive kill mail. At least that's what I would do. Capitalize on change people, don't whine.


The title of this thread, wich you created is misleading. You asked if it would hurt the game. You have done nothing but argue for it being a good thing with nothing solid to back it up.

No one is whining but you. You created a thread to do it. Not sure why though since it seems you will get what you want. We've told you the bad things about it. We are old enough to know how it will effect the game.

The only thing I can think of is that you are a credit card warrior posting with an alt hoping to make a point in the forums because you can't get the feedback you want in game. You are not constructive anymore and I'm begining to agree with the original idea of locking this thread.


I wouldn't call it whining more like rubbing salt into a wound. Also the definition of whining is "complain in a feeble or petulant way"..... which is what those opposed to the idea are doing. Also I'm snowed in and the project at work atm is email tag heavy so their is much free time.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#142 - 2016-01-31 19:51:06 UTC
sero Hita wrote:


True, no limitations but what the market puts on the SP packets. I am okay with this though. If one is so inclined that they don't want to buy SP packets, I still think they can compete though. EVE has so many game play mechanisms that one can use to counter better skills. An example: I earn my ISK by supplying a small tradehub, that no one else wants to seed. I earn decent enough to pvp. That people can buy SP and get better trade skills than me will not change that. They will still not go through the hassle to seed a station in the middle of no where. In PVP if someone flies a better ship, with better skills I call in reinforcements and blop the sun out of him. Regardless if he is a veteran or just bought the exp. That is the beauty of EVE with some effort, there will always be a place in space where you can be king, even if others have higher SP. That is why I am not too worried.


The problem with the argument, "If you don't like it don't participate," is that the SP market can have an effect beyond just the SP market. This should be obvious.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#143 - 2016-01-31 19:51:10 UTC
Trader20 wrote:
W33b3l wrote:
Trader20 wrote:
New player with snakes and faction fit man this guy won eve, or just grab your corp mates for an impressive kill mail. At least that's what I would do. Capitalize on change people, don't whine.


The title of this thread, wich you created is misleading. You asked if it would hurt the game. You have done nothing but argue for it being a good thing with nothing solid to back it up.

No one is whining but you. You created a thread to do it. Not sure why though since it seems you will get what you want. We've told you the bad things about it. We are old enough to know how it will effect the game.

The only thing I can think of is that you are a credit card warrior posting with an alt hoping to make a point in the forums because you can't get the feedback you want in game. You are not constructive anymore and I'm begining to agree with the original idea of locking this thread.


I wouldn't call it whining more like rubbing salt into a wound. Also the definition of whining is "complain in a feeble or petulant way"..... which is what those opposed to the idea are doing. Also I'm snowed in and the project at work atm is email tag heavy so their is much free time.



Sharing an opinion isn't whining. Unless your native tongue is klingon
Bibosikus
Air
#144 - 2016-01-31 21:44:35 UTC
The vast majority of Vets (including me and most of my Eve-playing friends) think this Extractor/Injector system is refreshing and interesting but hardly a game-changer.

We're all pretty much where we want to be, and the idea of trading skill points we don't use is years old. I for one am glad it's on the way, because skill points are a drill-down resource that CCP need to tap into to keep the Eve market on its toes (read: upbeat)

Unless the post-Aurum market for Extractors goes stupidly low, I don't see any of the 80+m sp players bothering much. There's better isk to be made elsewhere.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#145 - 2016-01-31 22:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
Teckos Pech wrote:
sero Hita wrote:


True, no limitations but what the market puts on the SP packets. I am okay with this though. If one is so inclined that they don't want to buy SP packets, I still think they can compete though. EVE has so many game play mechanisms that one can use to counter better skills. An example: I earn my ISK by supplying a small tradehub, that no one else wants to seed. I earn decent enough to pvp. That people can buy SP and get better trade skills than me will not change that. They will still not go through the hassle to seed a station in the middle of no where. In PVP if someone flies a better ship, with better skills I call in reinforcements and blop the sun out of him. Regardless if he is a veteran or just bought the exp. That is the beauty of EVE with some effort, there will always be a place in space where you can be king, even if others have higher SP. That is why I am not too worried.


The problem with the argument, "If you don't like it don't participate," is that the SP market can have an effect beyond just the SP market. This should be obvious.


Teckos please, don't reply to my posts anymore. Last time you told me to learn to read, and claimed I had written the opposite of what I had. Now you answer something that does not directly relate to what i wrote. That is just annoying. I btw. never claimed it would not have effects beyond the SP market. I said the effects you can handle by other means

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#146 - 2016-01-31 23:13:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
sero Hita wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
sero Hita wrote:


True, no limitations but what the market puts on the SP packets. I am okay with this though. If one is so inclined that they don't want to buy SP packets, I still think they can compete though. EVE has so many game play mechanisms that one can use to counter better skills. An example: I earn my ISK by supplying a small tradehub, that no one else wants to seed. I earn decent enough to pvp. That people can buy SP and get better trade skills than me will not change that. They will still not go through the hassle to seed a station in the middle of no where. In PVP if someone flies a better ship, with better skills I call in reinforcements and blop the sun out of him. Regardless if he is a veteran or just bought the exp. That is the beauty of EVE with some effort, there will always be a place in space where you can be king, even if others have higher SP. That is why I am not too worried.


The problem with the argument, "If you don't like it don't participate," is that the SP market can have an effect beyond just the SP market. This should be obvious.


Teckos please, don't reply to my posts anymore. Last time you told me to learn to read, and claimed I had written the opposite of what I had. Now you answer something that does not directly relate to what i wrote. That is just annoying. I btw. never claimed it would not have effects beyond the SP market. I said the effects you can handle by other means


You mean the one where I let you have it for calling me a liar? Maybe you should HTFU and while at it grow up too.

There have been quite a few people claiming that the problems in Eve in terms of player retention has been a direct result of SP. Some argue starting SP is too low, some argue SP altogether. Two of the people arguing for removal of SP were Dror and Aerasia (spelling on that second one might be off).

Now, a careful reading of my post would clearly indicate that the claims were not mine. I have never made any claims about how to get the number of players on line up. Therefore for you to show up and call me a liar and to prove claims I think are bogus to begin with is stupid and foolish. I called you on that and now you want to pout? Fine, whatever.

As for the problem with SP, as I have pointed out lots of times the problems of changing a system or trying to design a new system, especially markets, is that the problems are not apparent until after the fact. So simply saying, "I can't see a problem therefore there is no problem" as we have seen from a number of people in this thread is foolish and demonstrates a unfortunate degree of hubris.

Quote:
The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.--Friedrich August von Hayek, Nobel Prize Winner 1974

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Jenshae Chiroptera
#147 - 2016-01-31 23:47:58 UTC
Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game?

Short answer: To some extent.

Everyone has equal access to the extractors and injectors.
Not everyone has the same access to getting them.

Real life cash, ISK and time.

It will widen the gap between new players and veterans via alts.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#148 - 2016-02-01 04:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
let's be realistic here people, how much do you think the price of an extractor will be? the SP packets' price? and then of course the injectors, how much do you think it will cost as well? between those 3 items together, i bet my brown balls the whole SP transfer process would cost minimum 2-3 PLEXes.

2-3 PLEXes for 500k SP, it's not even a half-month worth of training. im not saying nobody can dish out irl cash for 15-20 PLEXs in one go to be able to fly a officer/deadspace proteus (albeit with bare minimum, sucky fitting skills), but come on, it would be minimal and negligible and those people most probably will stay in hisec to run missions making them irrelevant.

now for vets with lots of isk making alts, that's a non-issue already because we already have character bazaar.

Just Add Water
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#149 - 2016-02-01 04:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Mag's wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game?

Let me counter question:


Has buying characters from the bazaar ruined the game?




As in a sense, it's just the same thing, only you can now tailor make your character and pick your own name.
I love how when someone says it's the same as the bazaar, they seems to always qualify it with 'in a sense' or 'almost', or 'nearly' or 'except that'.

Another example.
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
The SP trading thing is no different than the character bazaar that has been around for years. Except instead of trading full characters, you can just buy/sell the SP.


I almost won the lottery once. Roll

It's a waste of time trying to convince the delusional people who refuses to acknowledge that these two are totally different. Some people will always believe what they want to believe regardless if what the believe is actually true or not. Others are just flat out ignorant and really can't see the difference.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#150 - 2016-02-01 04:25:54 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Mag's wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game?

Let me counter question:


Has buying characters from the bazaar ruined the game?




As in a sense, it's just the same thing, only you can now tailor make your character and pick your own name.
I love how when someone says it's the same as the bazaar, they seems to always qualify it with 'in a sense' or 'almost', or 'nearly' or 'except that'.

Another example.
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
The SP trading thing is no different than the character bazaar that has been around for years. Except instead of trading full characters, you can just buy/sell the SP.


I almost won the lottery once. Roll

It's a waste of time trying to convince the delusional people who refuses to acknowledge that these two are totally different. Some people will always believe what they want to believe regardless if what the believe is actually true or not. Others are just flat out ignorant and really can't see the difference.


well, it's a waste of time trying to shed some reason to you as well. if you want to quit over this, then quit, nobody is stopping you. good luck. o7

Just Add Water
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#151 - 2016-02-01 04:29:06 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game?

Short answer: To some extent.

Everyone has equal access to the extractors and injectors.
Not everyone has the same access to getting them.

Real life cash, ISK and time.

It will widen the gap between new players and veterans via alts.

It will indeed ruin the game just like cancer will kill a person over time. This SP trading will have that exact same effect on Eve and will gradually eat away at the life core of this game until it becomes nothing but an empty shell of a game over time (12-18 months).

PVP'ers will mostly likely be the only ones left playing this game by that time, hunting down the last remaining 1-5k scrubs left scurrying about in Dead Eden.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#152 - 2016-02-01 04:33:25 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Mag's wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game?

Let me counter question:


Has buying characters from the bazaar ruined the game?




As in a sense, it's just the same thing, only you can now tailor make your character and pick your own name.
I love how when someone says it's the same as the bazaar, they seems to always qualify it with 'in a sense' or 'almost', or 'nearly' or 'except that'.

Another example.
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
The SP trading thing is no different than the character bazaar that has been around for years. Except instead of trading full characters, you can just buy/sell the SP.


I almost won the lottery once. Roll

It's a waste of time trying to convince the delusional people who refuses to acknowledge that these two are totally different. Some people will always believe what they want to believe regardless if what the believe is actually true or not. Others are just flat out ignorant and really can't see the difference.


well, it's a waste of time trying to shed some reason to you as well. if you want to quit over this, then quit, nobody is stopping you. good luck. o7

That will happen naturally on it's own as my remaining game time ticks away because I won't be putting anymore of my money into a dead game.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#153 - 2016-02-01 04:57:46 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:

That will happen naturally on it's own as my remaining game time ticks away because I won't be putting anymore of my money into a dead game.


thank god...

can i have some of your isk/stuff?

Just Add Water
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2016-02-01 04:59:08 UTC
SP trading will wee on Eve's parade but I doubt I'll quit over it, most of the people I encounter in the game are over the 80 mill SP mark anyway so if those players can fly a few more ships with injected SP so be it, they can die just as fast as they did before.. Or kill me as fast as they did before.. It's all relevant..

But in the end SP trading will be bad for Eve, how bad only time will tell, next may be free to play then comes blatant pay to win schemes, then I will quit.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#155 - 2016-02-01 05:01:04 UTC
the only thing that would make me quit EvE is golden ammos (because that is a clear pay2win) and free2play.

Just Add Water
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#156 - 2016-02-01 05:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Trader20 wrote:
New player with snakes and faction fit man this guy won eve, or just grab your corp mates for an impressive kill mail. At least that's what I would do. Capitalize on change people, don't whine.

I'm starting to agree with Tiddle.

If you keep trolling like this OP, I'll report this thread for redundancy!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#157 - 2016-02-01 05:11:46 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
the only thing that would make me quit EvE is golden ammos (because that is a clear pay2win) and free2play.

T3 ammo, so valuable you have to pay with days off your pilot's license to CONCORD to get it

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Trader20
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2016-02-01 05:13:02 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Trader20 wrote:
New player with snakes and faction fit man this guy won eve, or just grab your corp mates for an impressive kill mail. At least that's what I would do. Capitalize on change people, don't whine.

I'm starting to agree with Tiddle.

If you keep trolling like this OP, I'll report this thread for redundancy!


Coming from the person who is calling everyone scrubs.....
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#159 - 2016-02-01 05:23:01 UTC
Trader20 wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Trader20 wrote:
New player with snakes and faction fit man this guy won eve, or just grab your corp mates for an impressive kill mail. At least that's what I would do. Capitalize on change people, don't whine.

I'm starting to agree with Tiddle.

If you keep trolling like this OP, I'll report this thread for redundancy!


Coming from the person who is calling everyone scrubs.....

I didn't say everyone. Just the ones who fancies the pay2win feature and who intend on abusing it for instant gratification.

Also reported for Redundancy!
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#160 - 2016-02-01 05:23:59 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:

That will happen naturally on it's own as my remaining game time ticks away because I won't be putting anymore of my money into a dead game.


thank god...

can i have some of your isk/stuff?


The only thing I'll leave behind in this game is my vomit, if you want it you can have it.