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Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2016-01-29 23:02:55 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
Alea wrote:
This account is fueled by PLEX, PLEX purchased by other players, I only gain the use of this account by doing so, I gain no advantage over other players by doing that compared to buying SP, depending on the cost of injecting SP that may be out of reach for some players, which is similar to pay to win in my eyes.

The advantage I gain from using a clean alt is that I keep my position (pay), standings (related to pay) and respect of my in game piers (alliance), I may or may not lose those if I was openly using one of my mains but I prefer to stay on the safe side and will continue using this account for my forum based shenanigans.

I'm sorry if I offend you by wanting to "keep my job" but if you were in the same position in this game as I am and made the same ISK that I do you would most certainly be doing something similar to cover your ass.


So other players should HTFU and gains SPs the hard way, but you shouldn't harden up and post with your main(s)? Interesting.

Back to the original topic, I do now want to help you hunt people who buy skillpoints with the new system. Convo me with your main in game and we can talk details on how to root them out.


Obvious bait is obvious.

I done it the hard (normal) way since 2003, it's not all that hard if you use implants and learn how to utilize your remaps effectively.

If I were to embark on this endeavor I have unsubbed accounts that are more than capable to participate, my subbed accounts are unavailable

It's more than apparent that what I would like to do will not come to light, it appears I am the minority in this jimmie rustle.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2016-01-29 23:27:22 UTC
I was wondering this myself. Ithink gankers could absolutely have a field day with this one.
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#103 - 2016-01-29 23:50:36 UTC
Alea wrote:
Obvious bait is obvious.

I done it the hard (normal) way since 2003, it's not all that hard if you use implants and learn how to utilize your remaps effectively.

If I were to embark on this endeavor I have unsubbed accounts that are more than capable to participate, my subbed accounts are unavailable

It's more than apparent that what I would like to do will not come to light, it appears I am the minority in this jimmie rustle.


Just pointing out your hypocrisy, no more, no less. When you feel like not taking the easy way out with your brave NPC alt-ing on forums, I can start to take this thread as anything but a joke.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2016-01-30 00:50:45 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
Alea wrote:
Obvious bait is obvious.

I done it the hard (normal) way since 2003, it's not all that hard if you use implants and learn how to utilize your remaps effectively.

If I were to embark on this endeavor I have unsubbed accounts that are more than capable to participate, my subbed accounts are unavailable

It's more than apparent that what I would like to do will not come to light, it appears I am the minority in this jimmie rustle.


Just pointing out your hypocrisy, no more, no less. When you feel like not taking the easy way out with your brave NPC alt-ing on forums, I can start to take this thread as anything but a joke.


Then I must apologize for asking you to engage in this thread, if I had known me forum whoring on an alt would upset you this much I never would have asked for your input, so please accept my apology for the blatant disregard of your feelings, I promise to seek therapy.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#105 - 2016-01-30 01:59:05 UTC
Alea wrote:
Then I must apologize for asking you to engage in this thread, if I had known me forum whoring on an alt would upset you this much I never would have asked for your input, so please accept my apology for the blatant disregard of your feelings, I promise to seek therapy.


Oh, not upset, just entertained. You're as salty as a rookie who got ganked in their first week. Keep it up please.
Kyra Lee
Doomheim
#106 - 2016-01-30 05:01:34 UTC
So back to the topic of the OP.

As for tracking and hunting down players that have injected SP it will be tough to do. One way to start is by participating in the system. Sell SP injectors(obtain them however you want) yourself and then watchlist anyone who buys them from you. It's true that it may be some alt or an alliance level logistics officer who purchases them but at least its a start. I would be willing to bet that most players will buy the injectors on the character that is going to use them. Cargo scanning ships as the undock in hubs and looking for injectors and extractors is another way to go about it. Gaining the intel is the hard part.

On a personal note I don't feel that identifying anyone ingame who injects SP is a good thing. Something like that should be reserved for a full API.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2016-01-30 06:10:13 UTC
Kyra Lee wrote:
So back to the topic of the OP.

As for tracking and hunting down players that have injected SP it will be tough to do. One way to start is by participating in the system. Sell SP injectors(obtain them however you want) yourself and then watchlist anyone who buys them from you. It's true that it may be some alt or an alliance level logistics officer who purchases them but at least its a start. I would be willing to bet that most players will buy the injectors on the character that is going to use them. Cargo scanning ships as the undock in hubs and looking for injectors and extractors is another way to go about it. Gaining the intel is the hard part.

On a personal note I don't feel that identifying anyone ingame who injects SP is a good thing. Something like that should be reserved for a full API.


CCP may agree with you but I feel if you're going to artificially enhance your character it should be reflected somewhere in that characters information.

To be honest what I want is easy mode SP injection identification, I want to be able to look at a characters information and see if it has been artificially enhanced, SP amount and times injected need not to be reflected but the action should be..

In reality the above will most likely never happen as that may bring undo attention to players who use that feature, which goes against CCPs cuddling of players who want to be safe everywhere.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Epic Name
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2016-01-31 06:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Epic Name
You can find me out in Pure Blind.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#109 - 2016-01-31 07:04:51 UTC
Alea wrote:
I am not an elitist, well I don't feel that I am anyway, anybody who knows me in this game would say I'm more than fair, honest and very charitable.. What has brought me to this point is the idea of SP trading, I don't feel that is right for Eve, it's as simple as that.

I can't (won't) post with (any of) my main(s) as I could/would risk most everything that I have worked for in the past lotsa years, I resurrected this account about five or so years ago to forum whore for friends just starting out, she has no other use for me as she only has 4 or so mill SP.. No I will not be injecting SP into Alea as I don't need another useless character.

Gotcha. I called it in my previous post; you're just a forum trolling blowhard and hypocrite. You say you want the game to have consequences but when the rubber meets the road you're not ready to live by your high-minded words.
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Avvy
Doomheim
#110 - 2016-01-31 11:51:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Alea wrote:

CCP may agree with you but I feel if you're going to artificially enhance your character it should be reflected somewhere in that characters information.



With a character from the bazaar it matters as the character originally belonged to someone else.

But with sp packets it doesn't matter as the character remains yours.

People keep thinking about how their character compares to someone else's. Well it no longer matters and hasn't done since the character bazaar. A lot of people have used the bazaar, so the purity of the skill queue (community) has for all time been tainted. So instead of worrying about the purity in someone else's skill queue concentrate on the purity of your own skill queue if that's what you want to do.


Edit:

Removed a line as the D.O.B. won't help as lots of people have breaks from the game. D.O.B. will highlight some but it's not a reliable method of being able to tell.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2016-01-31 18:39:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alea
Avvy wrote:


Edit:

Removed a line as the D.O.B. won't help as lots of people have breaks from the game. D.O.B. will highlight some but it's not a reliable method of being able to tell.




* Employment history is what I lost, I still have my b-day, so this post is irrelevant, edited out the nonsense, should have slept longer I guess..

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2016-01-31 18:41:19 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
Alea wrote:
This account is fueled by PLEX, PLEX purchased by other players, I only gain the use of this account by doing so, I gain no advantage over other players by doing that compared to buying SP, depending on the cost of injecting SP that may be out of reach for some players, which is similar to pay to win in my eyes.

The advantage I gain from using a clean alt is that I keep my position (pay), standings (related to pay) and respect of my in game piers (alliance), I may or may not lose those if I was openly using one of my mains but I prefer to stay on the safe side and will continue using this account for my forum based shenanigans.

I'm sorry if I offend you by wanting to "keep my job" but if you were in the same position in this game as I am and made the same ISK that I do you would most certainly be doing something similar to cover your ass.


So other players should HTFU and gains SPs the hard way, but you shouldn't harden up and post with your main(s)? Interesting.

Back to the original topic, I do now want to help you hunt people who buy skillpoints with the new system. Convo me with your main in game and we can talk details on how to root them out.


Read an earlier post on how I responded to the same question.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2016-01-31 18:46:07 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Pryce Caesar wrote:
I wouldn't do that. Anyone who depends on the SP trading as a crutch wouldn't be worth the time, anyway. It's not a game-breaker, since its function is as a [b]time-saver


lol

I guess you think the same about those buying from the character bazaar then. Wonder how many of those you have in your corp/alliance.



Quite a few, character bazaar is not the same animal, I can control who enters my corp, not so much who enters the alliance.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#114 - 2016-01-31 18:57:18 UTC
Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:
I was wondering this myself. Ithink gankers could absolutely have a field day with this one.


What do you see them getting out of this?? nothing more than they currently get.

Will you also target bought toons, as that is essentially the same thing. Can't say I am overly happy with this, but its the way the game is going, same as any other game mechanic, you just learn to live with it, or move on.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2016-01-31 23:10:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Don't really care. Trading is a bad idea would have been better to let players sub ahead of time like sub for 12 months get 12 months of XP immediately at base rate for addition charge but whatever. Can't train for 12 months on that character.

Have probably few hundred mill of sp to siphon off my chars so good for me.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenshae Chiroptera
#116 - 2016-01-31 23:42:57 UTC
Alea wrote:
Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them..
Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them.
Then target and hunt them down.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#117 - 2016-02-01 05:10:56 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Alea wrote:
Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them..
Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them.
Then target and hunt them down.

Damn, my poor market alts will get owned.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2016-02-01 05:46:02 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Alea wrote:
Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them..
Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them.
Then target and hunt them down.

Damn, my poor market alts will get owned.


Wouldn't be worth the effort to go that route, too much effort for little return.

There would have to be a way to find them wholesale, like scanning info's while setting at a gate for example.

But it will not happen as the idea of hunting people who inject SP is not a popular idea from what I have seen in this thread, so I'm going to let it die.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#119 - 2016-02-01 05:49:36 UTC
Alea wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Alea wrote:
Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them..
Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them.
Then target and hunt them down.

Damn, my poor market alts will get owned.


Wouldn't be worth the effort to go that route, too much effort for little return.

There would have to be a way to find them wholesale, like scanning info's while setting at a gate for example.

But it will not happen as the idea of hunting people who inject SP is not a popular idea from what I have seen in this thread, so I'm going to let it die.


We don't even know if it will be at all possible to know if someone used some beside obvious character way too young to pilot a ship. For all we know, it might be completely invisible to other player and you are just looking for interest in hunting ghosts. Wait to see how it really pans out THEN you might get people interested into it.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#120 - 2016-02-01 07:13:57 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alea wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Alea wrote:
Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them..
Seed the markets and then check on those who buy them.
Then target and hunt them down.

Damn, my poor market alts will get owned.


Wouldn't be worth the effort to go that route, too much effort for little return.

There would have to be a way to find them wholesale, like scanning info's while setting at a gate for example.

But it will not happen as the idea of hunting people who inject SP is not a popular idea from what I have seen in this thread, so I'm going to let it die.


We don't even know if it will be at all possible to know if someone used some beside obvious character way too young to pilot a ship. For all we know, it might be completely invisible to other player and you are just looking for interest in hunting ghosts. Wait to see how it really pans out THEN you might get people interested into it.


There will be a way if the character has subscribed to certain services and submitted an appropriate API. Without co-operation from the 3rd party app/site though, one would have to use a more laborious method of tracking.