EVE General Discussion

Technically you would fly an Titan, but the main question would be "for how long?"
Skilltrading gives you skills but it doesn't give you experience.
I would bet, after said pilot got his arse handed within a few days ending with a juicy killmail, the resulting whine and tears thread in the forum would be epic!

yes and it's been that way for years.

So how come we never see a thread called

does buying a character on the bazzaar ruin the game?

naysayers are just not consistent at all.

I get it. I think it's just tactical reasons I don't care for it. You've always had to judge a players capabilites, this just makes it harder. I agree about experience meaning as much as SP. However SP does effect things more then people give it credit for. We've tested it by putting 2 players in the same ships with the same fits. The person with all maxed skills for that ship would always win assuming it was in battleships or larger even if we purposely reversed tactics. Battleships being the main ship most noobs will buy into skill wise starting out, I'm expecting some fights to end in some head scratching ways for people. It should at least be interesting.

Although we had someone buy a character once with a bunch of really shiney ships and attack is once. We blew up a lot of his crap,and won the little war because we knew what we where doing. But that was fleet composistion. So as far as PVP is concerned, it Wil probably just cause some 1v1 drama more then anything. Though be it in ships that really shouldn't be in a 1v1 fight. So it can go both ways.

There's no effort as such in waiting, just patience but then if you are the impatient type even waiting can take effort. But they have been loyal to CCP for a long time and I know some take pride in the amount of sp they have. I guess if you were number 9 in the sp tree doing it the traditional way and somebody passed you by just paying for it, you might be miffed too.

Although some of the replys makes me wonder what game some people are playing. Is it so that you can have as much sp as possible even though it may not even be useful to you.

Let me get this straight.

A person that has been playing and grinding the same game for over 10 freaking years has no reason to be upset that a brand new player will be able to accomplish the same thing in 10 minuts with enough real world cash flow? In an already subscription based game, that by design is supposed to protect against such a thing?

Of course some people will be sandy about that. Sure the new player won't have the contacts and time to fall back on, but if it's an alt.....

I understand why some people are upset. Btw, it is p2w, just not in the form most of us are used to.

Also a big part of this game is time based. How many new people are going to buy into a BS and realize they still have to do level ones and quit. Or go into lowsec with there "badass" ship, die emediatly, and quit.

Idk, I don't think people have fleshed this out completely.

You are completely missing the point. Skill sets take months and sometimes years depending and what you are doing. Pay to rearange skill points? Sure. Make it so you can't sell plex to buy them some how? Fine. The only way this would be honestly acceptable there way planned is if the game was F2P. You also didn't bother to retort my other points.

I completely understand why some people are upset and I have my doubts it will work as CCP plans.

Gaining SP isn't hard, nobody has claimed it is. It does however take time like you said, time for you to build an attachment to your virtual pixel man, an attachment that gives him meaning. We aren't afraid of change but we have been around long enough to predict (guess?) the likely effects of a change. You say some vets are just looking for a reason to leave but for many eve has been slowly changing from "real" to "frigate arena pvp", this is just another step away from the EvE most of us like.

EvE is a complex system with different types of players interacting with each other, that's one of the things that makes the game so difficult for CCP to balance based on player feedback. An attitude of "well your opinion doesn't matter because you're just a bitter vet" is not a very helpful one.

Buying SP is a "pay2advance-faster" mechanic just the same way you can buy gems/gold in most iPhone games. EvE has always had the ability to buy ISK with real money but ISK is something that you can farm at whatever rate you can manage in game anyway. It was only even introduced in the first place to combat RMT, a sort of necessary evil since people are going to buy ISK anyway. People have not before had the possibility to buy SP as easily as they will soon have, the downsides of using the char bazaar are now gone. If you have the cash there's no reason not to beef up your guy with some bought SP. Anyone claiming "but its not pay2win" you are really being pedantic; an advantage of this kind has not been in the game before now. A good day for credit-card warriors but a bad day for everyone else.

Thank you.

On a side note.

It won't be long before a new player buys enough plex to buy an officer fit Mach and the skills to use it with full implants, flies out of highsec (or flags himself somehow), and dies emediatly day one and the forums flood with tears because the 100+ dollars of his real world money just went up in internet explosion pixels. At least with not being able to buy skills, he would be playing long enough to know better most likely by the time he could fly it. Will it be funny and awesome for the person that killed him? My god yes, but it won't do much for new player retention.

New player with snakes and faction fit man this guy won eve, or just grab your corp mates for an impressive kill mail. At least that's what I would do. Capitalize on change people, don't whine.

I'm honestly having a hard time believing that you are not trolling here. If you can't understand written english (assuming that's your language) then I don't think you have much hope of understanding EvE.