Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I understand it.

You just can't have it both ways. You want perfectly safe detailed Intel, absolute command of combat initiative combined with station level security on demand at any point in time and space.

If anyone suggested some new module that did that same job, perhaps a mobile forcefield generator, you would need to be hospitalized from tripping over yourself in your eagerness to laugh the poor fool from the forums.

But cloaks are ok because *reasons*

No setting up for ambush when safe, so you want to get rid of station games as well? Gate camps too? Logoff traps?

Your last sentence is ridiculous. I want market trading to stop so I get a better price on my next ship. OMG, it's not fair, someone can play the maket while safe! I want boosting to stop, OMG, let's not let anyone boost from inside a POS shield. I want to be able to jump into a system and travel safely through null, nerf gatecamps! They know they are the only ones in that system and are 100% safe, thanks to local! Nerf local and gate camps!

Mike, I've asked you this half a dozen times at this point and you never answered. Have you ever lived outside of HS, and if you did, what percent of your time were you in standing defense fleets?



Station level security? Jesus, catch someone logging on/off, watchlist them, get their safe and trap them there. How do you think supers are hunted when moving?

I have perfectly safe absolute intel with an alt docked up watching local, and a gang gatecamping next door in SOV null. By far safer than cloaks, and even better intel/combat dictation. I look forward to you not commenting on this.

You know what you get with the cloak? That perfect safety.

Local does not provide detailed info. It provides exactly one piece of intel, the most basic--- who is in the solar system with you. Not where, not in what, now what they are doing, not who they are with. All else you get from it is available freely from the neocon, the result of either guesswork and assumptions, or third party tools.

You can collect detailed intel in any ship you please, but you should not be able to do so from an unbreakably safe position. What you want is to preserve your passive, perfect safety while still being able to perform other useful PvP functions.

I still think players need a counter to AFK cloakers to prevent them sitting in a system for hours on end.

Sure and a number of those counters have been described repeatedly in this thread.

Dead ships with cloaks, not dead cloaked ships.

It's impossible to even get on grid with a cloaked ship. It's impossible to target a cloaked ship on grid. If you are close enough to hit a cloaked ship with a smartbomb it's because he was just incompetent, or he was not able to use the cloak because he just came through a gate.

Just because ships with cloaks mounted die does not mean the cloaks are ludicrously OP.

That's not how you kill them. But don't let me stop your tirade demonstrating how little you know about how the game with trivial details such as reality.

Right because a cloaked ship is never decloaked against the cloaking pilots will.

Again Mike that was an incredibly stupid thing to write. Bubbles combined with objects, or just objects make cloaking far, far less than "station level security".

Try this: in a cloaking ship warp into an anomaly and see what happens. Some you might be fine, others you'll likely be decloaked immediately.

The safety you keep harping on about exists at a safe and only at that safe.

Try this fit an ares with the following: Magnetometric Backup Array II and a ECCM - Magnetometric II

What do you notice about this ship? Once you are off the gate/grid and at a safe....?

Mike, I'm going to ask you this for the seventh time now. It's getting ridiculous how you pont-blank refuse to answer this question.

Have you ever lived outside of HS, and if you did, what percent of your time were you in standing defense fleets?

I'm loving the fact that you will ignore this and refuse to answer for a 7th time. Looking forward to asking this question yet again in a day or so.

I have answered many times.

Yes, I have lived in every area of space. Yes, I have participated in defense fleets. Most boring thing in the history of ever. It was a large contributing factor to my leaving, as they consumed all of my available playtime and saw very little of any sort of interesting play.

Do you in fact have a point? What does it have to do with anything.

The problem with cloaks is present in every area of space, not just null.