EVE General Discussion

Stuff like this is why were need an EVE: Technical Manual

Although it would be amusing if CCP applied real physics in EvE for just one day without telling anyone before.

EVE is a more of spaceship captain simulator than a spaceship pilot simulator. And that's if you can even call it a sim. The only thing in this I would say is on the level of "simulator" would probably be the markets.

If you are looking for more immersive space flight, by which I mean feeling like a pilot with a ship with 6 degrees of freedom, you're probably looking for another game like Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen. Good luck finding heart pounding pvp in those games though...

Wow, I couldn't have written a more ignorant response even if I was trying to troll and was being ignorant on purpose. Nicely done.

Perfectly well said. Lately, people have been asking for a lot more 'manual features' like that awful exploration mini-game. I'm one of the people who love the automated nature of EVE tasks (I actually used to do exploration content when it was just 'activate module and wait', but not any more ..I can't say it enough, I hate that damn mini game). SC and Elite are more for the manual fighter jock types, In EVE, we have "people" for that menial labor stuff, like piloting the space ship (except the parts where we fly with our brains I guess).

Sorry but I'm correct. There are systems all over the world that correct vehicles for that have automated position keeping for the purpose of simplifying navigation. It would be unthinkable to expect an advanced spacecraft not to have that and instead place the pilot into having to make manual adjustments.

Well thankfully, eve doesn't have anything much to correct for so it doesn't have to be that complex. It just has to properly adjust thrusters to do the simple actions we can do now (approach, orbit align and keep range).

I personally would like ships to have no fixed point of reference (i.e., up and down) but instead have relative references (when orbiting, approaching etc), I'm pretty sure eve can easily handle that.

And agreed that drones != [internet] space ships but I see what he means (quadcopter engines compensating for wind/thurst variations to achieve desired orientation).

On a side note, why do we only have approach, orbit and align? just throwing in a few (potentially bad) ideas:
- fly by at 10km -> flies in a tanget at 10km, useful for SBs, approaching without losing angular velocity
- intercept -> like approach but takes into consideration the predicted future position of the object being approached. useful for agile ships.
- fly side by side at 5 km -> like "keep range" but you get in range then try to mimic the targets movement (with a certain delay). Its like when a cop drives beside you and matches your speed and asks you to pull over. will only work if you are faster and as agile as the target. You can use this to keep angular velocity to a minimum but you also just web the guy to death an not worry about this crap. Other that that, you can just use this to fly side by side with your friends and take a pretty picture haha.

Yeah, guess your right. Would be cool if it was a simulator too though (market and space sim) but maybe that's asking too much.

Oh really?
So a dot with a flag to "warp" at a set speed cant exist eh? Totally not easier to code than a defined object.
EVE in no way shape or form uses a "dot move to" mechanic for motion right? Even though that's exactly what it does.

You do understand that the entire graphical overlay is just a pretty picture right? CCP is a master at making you think you are seeing something without actually spending the resources to actually make that thing a reality. When you move the dot gains direction and velocity.. it never has structure. No part of the engine is flight sim. If it was trust me you would never have 3000 people in space fighting one another.

Also I've talked with INS development teams before. Cool story but it doesn't excuse the truth that without a point of reference everything becomes a guess. Maybe in the future when fuel is nearly unlimited and oxygen is not always in desperately short supply a wasteful system can be used. In reality we use extremely redundant series of calculations to predict paths so we don't have to use such wasteful methods. The Blackbirds(SR-71) use INS to a fairly accurate degree. Only a few inches of deviation over a half planetary trip. Downside of this system is space is really honking big. 1mm deviation over a mile doesn't sound like much until you start talking about millions of miles. Then it becomes a difference of uncontrollably smashing into the object, entering orbit of the object, or flying off into the big black. This is why INS systems are really not trusted yet.

Additionally in any uncontrolled event INS systems tend to freak out. So the first disaster that sends the craft into a slightly uncontrolled spin would be entirely unrecoverable if INS was your only nav method. NASA still uses good old Mark1 Eyeballs for a reason ya know. Point of References.

What I think, is you can have always a point of reference, Position of spacecraft now, then you can plan where to move in what direction. You can identify the other point in space if it emerges and plan to move there with a nice calculation algorythm that engineer wrote for it before.

For the game having the drag on space, its because of the warp engine.
Warp engine is causing drag on space around you. If it is bigger warp engine to move more mass in the warp, it causes more drag. Warp engine in spaceship is constantly operational, dragging against space, you can call it "negative bend" when its not calibrated to bend space in certain direction for certain length. It is a side effect. This drag must be overcome with constant force to the ship engines. Microwarpdrive module adds to warp drive additional circuitry that acts like a calibrated warpdrive for lesser mass than vessel. It negates a lot of drag when working, but only to a certain level. It needs a lot of powergrid to be operational and a lot of capacitor to set on into calibration.

Why not switch it off? The warp engine to be operational must be constantly on. Packaged vessels still have warp engines working on standby. Switching warp engine completely off breaks it and causes a huge explosion. When someone is shooting you and there is no hull to protect it, next shoot will definitely break it and ship will be destroyed in explosion.

This malfunction of warpdrive have also a side effect of creating a space drag bubble that completely halts the wreck in space. Some CCP dev wrote that somewhere here on forum.

Warp drive uncalibrated/standby ("negative bend" causing drag is red)
Microwarpdrive active
Bend at start and end of the warp.
Warp drive calibrated (end stage of warpdrive calibration).
Start of calibration is announced as "Warp drive active".