EVE General Discussion

haha It's not that serious. I was only pointing out that I'm opposed to selling progression - hardcore opposed - but if it happens, of course I'll be buying sp like everyone else. I was angry for a couple days though ... after the shock and incredulity wore off.

All I know is that I hope players don't get buyer's remorse because there's no going back from this. Whatever game we have post-February-expansion will not be the same game we had pre-February expansion. This is not changing overview icons; this is changing one of the fundamental aspects of EVE Online... forever. I mean, if this doesn't get you riled up - it's difficult to imagine how there will ever be another monument shooting player revolt again. Ever. Our corporate overlords must view this complacency as free license to **** and pillage the countryside with reckless abandon. I know I would.

Oh, we've managed to get forum warriors arguing semantics. "This is not PTW." Well, technically, no. But only because you can't win EVE. It's pay to progress though and that's about as much winning as you can do in a game of linear progression. We've found a LOT of forum warriors dropping the tired "think of the noobs" argument. Something that's been debunked so many times, it's practically cliché at this point. As if noobs will be able to afford this without paying $$. And we've managed to get forum warriors arguing that it's just like the character bazaar. Oh yea. Just like it. The game-breaking character bazaar that sold, what, 10-15 characters per day will now be delivered to every player - everywhere - so they can game-break nonstop without those pesky consequences like contract & employment histories. 100% similar.

Arguing to keep EVE progression linear was always going to be a near-impossibility.

From the moment this idea was proposed, sp-trading was a done deal. Feedback, my ***. It's the kind of thing you can't even suggest unless you plan to follow through.

"Hey kids, would you like this delicious candy? It's so tasty and yummy and you know you want it. Give us your feedback and we'll decide if you can have it. But mmmmm it's soo good."

Of course people are going to want it. If you suggest that new toons come with all frig skills or gunnery skills to 5, they'll want that too. If you suggest that we remove all lvl 5 skills entirely, somebody's def gonna want that. The point is that you can't even offer these kinds of bonuses unless they're being delivered.

I just don't want to see EVE become some PTW shell of the game we've all struggled to succeed in. That adversity is what endeared me to this game. I appreciate EVE because it's hard and because of my time invested and because of its complexity.

And if any of that's going to be made meaningless soon... It's just sad.

"But think of the nooooooooooooobs!!!"

C'est la vie. Nothing lasts forever and all things progress toward their ends. Whether sp-trading is a positive change remains to be seen - but good or bad, the future will undoubtedly be different.

YK

hmmm...I liked that. Tell me. Do you do reach arounds?

Upon giving it some thought I may actually consider buying some of these extractor/injector thingies for use upon myself.
Siphoning off SP's that were spent on skills that I either never really used or never will use and reinjecting them to serve a viable purpose sounds somewhat attractive.

I'll probably be taking SP from alts and putting them in mains. I am homeless =(

Ive already started earmarking where I can benefit from such things on mains and alts. Theres really a plethora of situations where it will be VERY handy. And for those sitting on 80mil SP plus a skill injector will destroy more SP than it gives to the player. Its really not a bad situation for the integrity of SP.

In the example I posted previously of a 80mil SP toon gaining another 100mil SP youd have to harvest 333.5mil SP to do so. Thats a HUGE net SP loss. Now think of how many 5mil + toons will do so as everyone OVER 5mil SPs will create a net loss of SPs. You do the math and realize how many spare SP are going to be destroyed and how much MORE value YOUR precious puritan SP will contain and hold after this. This is like the Fed reserve destroying dollars and reversing inflation.

I wouldn't do that. It's not a game-breaker, since its function is as a time-saver. For anyone below 5 million skillpoints, one Skillpoint Trading Packet is essentially equivalent to 9 days of training. It is enough to immediately level up one 1x Skill to Level 5 and another to the precipice, and a 2x skill to the precipice of reaching level 5 (500,000 skillpoints per packet to 512,000 total for Level 5 2x skill).

But that is also what makes it so dangerous. With any skills all the way up to a 11x multiplier (Rank 11 skills), those skills are automatically given a boost to Level 4. At least, for anyone below 5 million skillpoints. By the time you get to 80 million SP (the last cut off point), a skill Skillpoint Packet would only be able to put three Rank 1 skill up to Level 4, and it would take two to put a Rank 1 skill up to Level 5.

It is quite the time difference, to be honest. You go from adding on at least nine days worth of skill points for a beginning player, all the way down to two to three days worth of skillpoints for veteran players with 80 million or more. That said, it is still enough skillpoints to get a person who is training Titan skills up to Level 3, given the vast gap between points for skills that start cropping up between Level 3, 4 and 5.

Remember, it is the veteran players who will be the main source of skillpoint trading, since they will have the most skillpoints to spare. If they don't want new players taking advantage of the system, all they have to do is keep their distribution confined to contracts in their own Corps. I would do that, since the SP trading would help new members of the Corp catch up on what skills the corp deems necessary for their role.

My post wasn't finished.

I wouldn't know, since I don't ask. I also would not know, because I do not spend money to acquire items for in-game use, PLEX or otherwise. If there is anything I want to buy, I'll buy it with the in-game ISK.

Let's hunt down and kill people who hide behind NPC forum alts when posting.

I might buy some SPs. Come find me. I hang out near dodixie ATM. Until then, I will season my lunch with the salt from your posts about this.

You're upset about people taking advantage of a new SP system for personal gain, while at the same time you take an advantage of hiding behind NPC forum alts to avoid repercussion for stupid ideas?

That's either hypocritical or a bit sad. Not sure which. Maybe both.

This account is fueled by PLEX, PLEX purchased by other players, I only gain the use of this account by doing so, I gain no advantage over other players by doing that compared to buying SP, depending on the cost of injecting SP that may be out of reach for some players, which is similar to pay to win in my eyes.

The advantage I gain from using a clean alt is that I keep my position (pay), standings (related to pay) and respect of my in game piers (alliance), I may or may not lose those if I was openly using one of my mains but I prefer to stay on the safe side and will continue using this account for my forum based shenanigans.

I'm sorry if I offend you by wanting to "keep my job" but if you were in the same position in this game as I am and made the same ISK that I do you would most certainly be doing something similar to cover your ass.