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Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#41 - 2016-01-27 21:11:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pandora Carrollon
I could totally be misreading the original post here, and I had to read it a bunch of times to get an idea of a handle on what was being asked.

I think he was asking to go weapons hot while doing other activities and not bring the wrath of Concord down on you as long as you have nothing targeted that wasn't legal prey. I don't actually understand that because I thought you could go weapons hot in HiSec against things like suspects as that was a bait strategy isn't it? So that part confuses me, but setting that aside...

If he's asking to allow warming up weapons systems with no target, in that sense, wouldn't it benefit both 'potential victims' (Carebears in mocking slang) and instigators (Suicide Gankers)? I've never tried weapons hot unless I've been shot first, (I shot first at a pirate NPC only to realize if I'd screwed up and targeted the player just beyond the pirate I'd have been space particles...) Given some of the Alpha strikes of some ships, yeah, getting shot first might not be the best practice, but in HiSec, at least I'll keep my nice security status.

I don't mind the PVP aspect of the HiSec space as it is, it means I have a place to practice and screw up my practicing in relative safety while trying to figure out the game process, my UI, and my scanners. I've been baited several times, but being a newbie with only a few scratches and scuffs, it's not time for me to try duking it out with a potentially skilled PVPer in a ship I could only dream of flying right.

So, I don't agree with any call for changing HiSec, I'm not sure if what the OP is asking for is a problem or not for either side.

Like most MMO's with PVP, first striker usually wins. Element of surprise is very powerful. I'm not sure it can be balanced, even if it should be balanced.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#42 - 2016-01-27 23:48:25 UTC
I've been ganked exactly once since I started playing in mid '14. It happened in late December last year in a 0.8 system where a Tornado one-shot volleyed my hauler. It actually took me a couple of seconds to realise what had happened.

Why did it happen?
Well, because I was stupid and complacent. I broke pretty much all the basic rules.

1: Carrying ~ISK400m in an unrigged, half tanked hauler with 3.5k EHP? Check.
2: Not using MWD/Cloak trick? Check.
3: Not changing course/docking up/refitting ship after noticing I was getting ship/cargo scanned off an earlier gate? Check.
4: Not checking the map for suspicious ganker-activity like signs? Check.

Basically, due to my own laziness, my hauler was dead the second I left the safety of my POS shields. It was just a matter of time until it went pop.

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Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#43 - 2016-01-28 06:04:42 UTC
Fanny-Basher wrote:
What do people think of this

As hi sec is supposed to be a security controlled why not make it so you cane activate aggressive mods while in hisec unless target is thief has suspect or pirate or killrights and duel? But not neutral. Ganking has not happened to me in a freighter but I imagine it has a impact on players that are restricted and gankers just make New toons and keep doing it or a harsher punishment? Ideas welcome I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol.


The only change id like to see is random players locking you getting flagged criminal. (not people you care about like peeps in your corp or fleet etc, just random dudes).

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#44 - 2016-01-28 22:44:33 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
1: ... half tanked hauler with 3.5k EHP? Check..
There are some better defences than eHP for haulers.

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Not even once

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#45 - 2016-01-28 23:02:29 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
1: ... half tanked hauler with 3.5k EHP? Check..
There are some better defences than eHP for haulers.

yup, there are.

in my lazy complacency, I didn't use any of those either....

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Paranoid Loyd
#46 - 2016-01-28 23:11:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Pix Severus wrote:

Vincent Athena wrote:
Ive for a long time wondered what horrid thing would happen if ganking in high sec was removed. I don't mean things like "eve would not be eve anymore", I mean what actual events would transpire, in what order, that would result in CCP closing the servers? What would be the chain of events? What would be the drivers behind each step in that chain of events?


At a guess:

1) CCP removes ganking from highsec
i) Most gankers leave the game or reabsorb into low/null alliances
ii) Huge protest, unsubs, the works
iii) Giant smug-filled circlejerk from carebears
2) A few months later..
i) Highsec grows silent as carebears don't talk to each other in local
ii) Carebears realise that without risk, EVE has lost that element of danger that makes it worth playing in the first place
iii) Carebear subs drop dramatically
iv) EVE is on life-support
3) Some clever guy makes his own "spiritual sucessor to EVE", filled with the danger that EVE now lacks
i) Everyone moves over to that game
4) EVE dies

Ignoring the social ramifications, there is also the effect of both increased supply and reduced demand due to the amount of assets no longer being removed from the economy.

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Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2016-01-29 00:49:07 UTC
what a time to be alive Shocked

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
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