EVE General Discussion

So, there is a lot of ranting going on over 0.0 occupancy and the rather larger coalitions “ruining” EvE. I rather think that this is a normal progression of this game.
If EvE is truly a player run society, it inevitably will turn from several small medium strength alliances to a few Super Coalitions that are rather overbearing in their influence.
I, personally think that Gooneswarm has their act together in this (not that it is an ok thing but rather a normal progression of this MMO in which they (GS) have taken advantage of) and rather than dying off as BOB did, they are more likely to continue growth as they aren’t just an EvE community but a gaming community as a whole.

What do you expect to happen? I know calls for CCP to intervene by Nerf’s and Buffs; but c’mon! Do you think that a player driven community should be influenced by alterations in dynamics? I say No. In fact, many changes in dynamics have gotten us in trouble in the first place and the end result is haphazard at best (sort of like overmedicating – you take a pill to compensate for the damage done by other meds).

What are some ideas – Seriously, no trolling… Like some good discussions as to ideas that can handle these issues.

An idea I have, however unlikely to happen, would be for CCP to intervene, not by Nerf, Buff or Dynamic changes, but to inject massive storylines that force us, the players to change the dynamics.

Perhaps our long forgotten Jovian neighbors: Have them roll through the large Null sec empires and wreak havoc. Cause the players to have to truly defend their empires – those strong enough and coordinated enough, will survive.

Again, what do you think?

-Ren

I think that when the General Discussion sub forum reaches a certain threshold of complaints about players ruining other players games it means that CCP have got Eve Online (a terrible game) back on track.

Perhaps a rather stronger, more persistent AI? Granted, I know the ones in Incursions are rather weak and predictable. Remember, when they started, they tore up a rather large number of players. It just took time to get organized and the Incursion fleets are rather small compared to what a Jovian fleet could be.

For example, you log in one day and there is massive chaos going on... to the point that your current WD ops are disrupted so heavily, you can only abandon them to defend your back yard. I imagine (rather suggestive) the dynamics in all sections of space would change. Make it a REAL incursion. None of this "Mamby Pamby" Sansha stuff.

So more PvE, less PvP, less politics, less sov wars

sure friend go ahead

Not continuous, though. I understand that PVE is NOT the answer. But the scattered masses are not able to align enough of a force to make a difference.
What I mean by an incursion is a short, rather large hoard (2-3 days maybe) doing this. Once done - done. Realistically, Incursions aren't and should not be repetative, anyway.

They could only do this by providing some pretty radical new content...that would appeal to a more broad spectrum of players, probably something avatar based...

oh wait.... they canceled it D:

I doubt there is anything you can suggest which would _double_ the population tbh.

enhance it.. improve it, maybe some clever marketing strategies.. but the only way to double 'active' users would be to have something that nearly every typical mmo players can relate to.

I agree with the OP, Flying in space is god damn boring most of the time...

Hell, even if they put some of those mini game machines into captains quarters, Even that would make eve more appealing to gamers in general, they dont need to make a wow clone.... just, something that isn't so frightfully boring, hell.. even some 'achievements' would at least make some mundane tasks worth doing.

BoB, i mean NC, I mean PL, I mean DRF, I mean CFC ARE RUINING EVE AND WILL CONQUER ALL OF 0.0 AND THE GAME WILL END™

Actually I chose double for a reason. We have been there so it can be done. A year ago we were on average seeing 40-50K logging in and that wasn't a peak point login, that was hrly averages. That's down by half now. The number I chose was conservative. It was a recovery number, not a growth number. Growth is another matter.

The key to anything I propose will not be in CCP doing it for us though. It will be n us doing it for EVE. CCP can help in a few mechanical ways but everything I have in mind requires us to make EVE healthy again.

This is EVE. Our EVE. Player driven EVE. Not everyone is going to jump on board, I'm no white knight and I am not trying to be one. I do see this game as a 6 year term of endearment though and even if I quit in 6 months and never play again, I'd offer anything I could to EVE to make her strong again. As a simple thank you for the 6 years.

Well, if you really want to increase the number of players then you must address the casual and non-pvp casual player. These are the bulk of the gaming market. In fact griefing is the exact opposite of what you should be doing. Otherwise, just realize the population of EVE is small and will continue to be so. The only hope you have of building the population outside of high sec is to have a growing population in high sec. A small percentage of those people may be interested in your style of game play, whatever that may be. Without a robust high sec, there is just a steady die off of population in null.

Frankly, low sec is the most broken of all the different sec regions but get's the least attention.