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Special Operations Support Command looking for Combat Operators
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Valkin Mordirc
#21 - 2016-01-26 17:17:21 UTC
Well you've already shorted all your "Highsec" Operators as well, They would be Grade C since none are capable of fully joining a War for 3 hours.


They could only provide Logistical assistance, which means putting themselves on free fire the most concentrated area of EVE, which honestly I would charge more for, specially if it was needed in a hub.
#DeleteTheWeak
Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#22 - 2016-01-26 17:19:05 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
A merc broker is an interesting business concept, and could work if you can reliably deliver. I have my doubts on this being a viable model, though.

Yea but it seems he's using the ingame mission model to try and provide services, with mercs already pulling in their own contracts and all the [MERC] threads on here this seems very much pointless.

This and a lack of accountability = scam mostly



But but.. Noragen! We could be like Molden heath rapid response team...
We could spam the caps around and get paid..
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2016-01-26 17:22:06 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Rather your a middle man where no middle man is needed.


Right,

EDIT: Honestly the idea, is pretty cool. But Since all merc contractors are pretty well known at this point, and most handle there own customer contractee's themselves I don't think they need somebody to be around to find them contracts.

Neato for scam though,


Actually, it's kind of a nifty idea. It actually compartmentalizes units, and helps to prevent infiltration to begin with. I mean, you don't exactly know who is going to show up (unless you set them up to bait them).

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2016-01-26 17:29:06 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Rather your a middle man where no middle man is needed.


Right,

EDIT: Honestly the idea, is pretty cool. But Since all merc contractors are pretty well known at this point, and most handle there own customer contractee's themselves I don't think they need somebody to be around to find them contracts.

Neato for scam though,


Actually, it's kind of a nifty idea. It actually compartmentalizes units, and helps to prevent infiltration to begin with. I mean, you don't exactly know who is going to show up (unless you set them up to bait them).

You would know whose coming in highsec and possibly wormhole when the wardec went through, the merc entities in low are not really known sure but in null you already know your blues and the lines have pretty much been drawn there so its either Mc/Pl/CFC who will be dropping on your party.

So in hindsight this is a very useless mediocre way of doing things.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#25 - 2016-01-26 17:36:18 UTC
Okay, let's just ask this of the OP:

How many contracts have you fulfilled so far? What were the results? Who can back your claims? Basically, why should anyone think this is more than the hair-brained scheme of someone with fantasies of cornering the merc market with no real understanding of how it works?

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-01-26 17:40:49 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Rather your a middle man where no middle man is needed.


Right,

EDIT: Honestly the idea, is pretty cool. But Since all merc contractors are pretty well known at this point, and most handle there own customer contractee's themselves I don't think they need somebody to be around to find them contracts.

Neato for scam though,


Actually, it's kind of a nifty idea. It actually compartmentalizes units, and helps to prevent infiltration to begin with. I mean, you don't exactly know who is going to show up (unless you set them up to bait them).

You would know whose coming in highsec and possibly wormhole when the wardec went through, the merc entities in low are not really known sure but in null you already know your blues and the lines have pretty much been drawn there so its either Mc/Pl/CFC who will be dropping on your party.

So in hindsight this is a very useless mediocre way of doing things.


High-sec, absolutely. You know who dec'd you, but do you knw who hired them and why? With an option like this, you compartmentalize your cells and units. You keep them away from each other as well. Sure, the only person who can fulfill the contract requests is the guy at the top, but at the same time he's also the only person who can shop you, so it shows if he can be trusted later if everyone is given over to enemies.

Low-sec and null-sec are a bit easier to maintain, since you don't need an actual war dec to handle them. You'd probably have a high-sec entity dec the target to mess with logistics and what-not, but low-sec and null- would be fair game.

And wormholes? No local, and it's rare that a wormhole entity has eyes on 23/7. So it'd be a bit easier to infiltrate and get intel before making a move.

As I said, a nifty idea if done right.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#27 - 2016-01-26 19:08:04 UTC
The name makes me think 'yet another failed kai86 attempt at.... well whatever he was trying to do'
Operator 34
Special Operations Support Command
#28 - 2016-01-26 19:12:12 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Okay, let's just ask this of the OP:

How many contracts have you fulfilled so far? What were the results? Who can back your claims? Basically, why should anyone think this is more than the hair-brained scheme of someone with fantasies of cornering the merc market with no real understanding of how it works?



I'm guessing reading isn't your strong suit. Perhaps you missed the part where it said we were looking for operators.

You all can scream and scoff and complain all you want. Everything generally starts from nothing with no reputation and nothing to back it up.

It's very simple. You can offer to become part of the service or you can ignore it. The reputation will build itself once we start rolling.

Since it's EVE, everyone screams scam anytime a new service or business starts up. It's not a scam. Don't like what I'm doing then don't join up.

Seems to me most of the folks trying to down play me are pre-existing mercenaries that are not too thrilled about additional competition in the market.
Valkin Mordirc
#29 - 2016-01-26 19:28:22 UTC
Soooo...You didn't even contact any current merc's? You expect them to come to you?
#DeleteTheWeak
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2016-01-26 19:41:22 UTC
Operator 34 wrote:

Seems to me most of the folks trying to down play me are pre-existing mercenaries that are not too thrilled about additional competition in the market.


step 1) advertise venture
step 2) **** off the mercenaries
step 3) solicit said mercenaries to provide services of aforementioned venture
step 4)????????????????????
step 5) profit?

i dont see this ending well for you

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#31 - 2016-01-26 22:39:13 UTC
Operator 34 wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Well, as someone who did highsec wardecs for a while (and will return to it soon), I see a few flaws in your system.

1) Valkin is right saying you are a middleman where none is really needed. Some victim can just bypass you and find their own revenge, not having to involve you at all. Especially someone who more than likely won't participate, just delegate.

2) The whole 'letter grade' to determine your pay for a mission. If you can get someone to bite on this, please send them my way so I can sell them a bridge I have in the Sahara Desert. You will get newbies more than likely instead of combat veterans. They will want to know what the pay is up front and get at least half of that before they start. That is how mercs work. Do you have a SRP in place for your 'Combat Operators'?

3) The services you offer. If someone puts in a request, can you fill any of those services as of right now? How many mercs or merc corporations/alliances do you have on staff currently? Honestly, the idea is not half bad but you are offering services that you probably cannot fulfill. As you start to get more 'staff', then I would slowly introduce more services to offer.

4) How do we know you are competent enough to even do this? I mean, that character is less than one day old. Why would any sane 'Combat Operator' want to run and work for a CEO and corporation that has no history whatsoever? As a combat character myself, I wouldn't even give you a chance until you make a name for yourself showing Eve that you are competent.

5) And last but not least, post with your main or GTFO! *\o/*



Morgan o/


No services can be filled at this time hence the reason title of the post says "Looking for combat Operators"

If you don't feel I am competent then simply don't sign up for the service. Eventually somebody will take a chance and the ball will get rolling.

The pay will be determined before they undock. They are grade A are expected to mobilize within 30 minutes of the agreement being made with SOSC and the client. That includes receipt of payment from the client.

Each combat operator corp will have the opportunity to set a standard per ship rate with the amount increased or decrease based on various factors. Combat operator corps can choose between having a full SRP system or higher per contract pay rate in which case they would manage their own SRP internally. We are flexible in this regard.

Capital pilots will always have full SRP.



So I am assuming you have the capital to back this up seeing that last line. It was the wording of your post that was off, saying that you offer those services when in fact you cannot. If you go back and do some rewording, then it could be more viable.

Now, if it involves a highsec wardec, do they automatically get a "D" grade since it takes 24h for them to be able to shoot freely at their target? Most merc companies can mobilize in 30 to 60 minutes but cannot do much more due to aggression rules. That is my understanding, but of course I could be wrong and would defer to those who have more experience than I do in these situations, but technically they should get a "D" grade. Also, can you post your payouts for the different grades, with and without SRP in place?

But besides the wardec timer for highsec, you will have issues with the other places too. Nullsec corporations/alliances are busy defending or fighting over their territory, they wont care about responding to contracts. Apparently, nullsec is carebear isk making heaven.

Lowsec is full of dirty thieving pirates. Your contracted pilots/corps will get harassed by them and they can/do show up with logi for a party. Just ask Noragen...

Wormholes...well we will just leave that as a 'no'. Unless the client has the hole for you, you would have to outsource the location of the hole to either WINGSPANTT or that Eve corp who locates wormholes entrances for you (I am so sorry but your corp name escapes me at the moment). And that takes time, and lower pay due to your letter grade pay guide.

Very interesting idea, but way too many holes/variables to be truly viable. And mercs are a testy lot. How are you going to handle if you have two merc corps as combat operators under you but they are at war with each other? My guess is they would rather shoot at each other than run missions for you.

And last of all, what is your cut in all of this?
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#32 - 2016-01-26 23:26:17 UTC
So really this is a recruitment post? I'm curious as I run a average size low sec corp.

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Julius Maagnus
V A N D A L I S M
#33 - 2016-01-27 00:46:11 UTC
I wouldnt mind hotdropping some dudes for some other dudes. I however dont believe that most people would be willing to pay enough to counter the risk.

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#34 - 2016-01-28 13:00:58 UTC
If Chribba did this it would work.



You, OP, are no Chribba.



Neat idea tho.

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Dymorian Deile
Hadean Veil Operations
#35 - 2016-01-28 14:09:10 UTC
Interesting concept but I think the flaws have already been pointed out by my esteemed colleagues :)

Good luck with the business.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-01-28 20:00:32 UTC
I endorse this product on the sole condition that I can provide "third party isk holding" services to verify mission completion on all contracts.

My "third party isk" services are of the highest quality. I think I can improve this service with a level of credibility otherwise unreachable.

Please go through me for contracts forthcoming.

I'm incredibly credible, incredibly,
Mo
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