Out of Pod Experience

Well Tippia...

I foresaw that you would continue to ignore facts so rather than letting this turn into a Kel versus Jenna match for 50 pages, let us make a wager as I realized I could take advantage of your cognitive dissonance

Each of us would give 5 plex to Chribba for escrow (if he would agree to this). I'd wager more, but why would I need plex if I am playing Star Citizen?

The wager is as thus...

If the single player game, Star Citizen: Squadron 42 is released on or before January 1st, 2018 then Captain Tardbar receives four plex (two of his plus two Tippia's). If the game fails to be released by then, Tippia gets four plex (two of Tippia's and two of Captain Tardbar's)

For the remainder six plex, if the open universe multiplayer game of Star Citizen is released on or before January 1st, 2020, then Captain Tardbar receives the remainder of the six plex (three of his and three of Tippia's). If the open universe game of Star Citizen fails to be released by then Tippia gets the six plex.

Also to sweeten the deal, if Captain Tardbar wins, Tippia must post on General Discussion stating to the effect "PVP is ruining EVE and high sec must be made safer." and then argue for that point for at least 10 pages.

If Tippia win's, Captain Tardbar will post the Tippia appreciation thread extolling how Tippia was always right and we should all listen to Tippia for at least 10 pages.

The terms of released are when the game goes 1.0 regardless of what state it is in to the general public. Debate if it actually finished will be disregarded as games like Elite: Dangerous are technically incomplete but have been released to the general public.

I look forward to your future correspondence.

Ah, but I have already presented them to you, but if we went down that route, I would continue to present them til I am blue in the face and you would continue to post ad nauseam until this thread is locked.

So instead of going down that route, why don't you agree to the wager since I am obviously wrong?

You will get five plex out of the deal and my humbling on the forums.

Now, if you do not agree to the wager, we have to assume you do not have faith in your claims.

If your so sure, of what you previously wrote, why not take the wager?

So you don't really have any facts or logic to offer, I take it, nor did I ignore any of it since you can't point to anything that I ignored.

Got it.

But you don't, so that's a pretty pointless hypothetical.

Make the bet non-idiotic and two-sided first.

Why not use the actual release dates and completion states the head developer has offered?

First part: if Star Citizen is released with all the features promised in the crowdfunding campaign by the end of 2014 (i.e. after three years of development), it is not vapourware.
Second part: if Space Marine is released with with all the features promised in the crowdfunding campaign by the end of 2015, (i.e. after four years of development) it is not vapourware.
Third part: if Squadron 42 is released with all the features promised in the crowdfunding campaign by the end of 2016 (i.e. after five years of development), it is not vapourware.

We can do one PLEX per part, if you will, to keep your losses down.

Oh, and one more condition: you have to explain what facts were ignored.

You want me to bet on something that won't pay out for half a decade, making it highly likely that there will be no game left for me to enjoy the payout. Logic is my strong suit, which is why I'm rejecting your silly offer. My offer is also silly, but at least it rests on some actual, empirical facts…


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaporware#Surfaced_vaporware

You know, it's actually vapourware already since it was supposed to be out almost two years ago…

Looking at the history of the company and the people behind it, even with that much extra time — more than double the original estimate — it's not something I'd bet on.

It also means that all things SC are vapourware. If, by some miracle, some hugely cut-down version should ever surface three, four, or fifteen years after development started, then that is just the standard fate of broken projects that are shoved out the door in the vain hope to recoup some of the costs.

You'll notice that it was your side I was describing. I'm telling you it's not something you should bet on because you'd be betting against the well-established pattern of every Roberts production ever, and against the continuation of that pattern that SC has demonstrated over the years.

What if I would said the Star Fox 2 game was completed and never officially released, but it made its way to players anyway?

How do you call these? Vapourware with a hint of leak?

…and until it's actually released, it's pure 100% weapons-grade vapourware. Indeed, many of the first (and defining) uses of the term were applied to goods that actually did come out at some point. Windows' famous “Golden Vapourware” award is a classic example. And even if it is released, it may still be vapourware depending on the circumstances of the initial announcement and the subsequent development.

No. Games that are classed as vapourware show no signs of being released. There are plenty of examples of things that were being developed for years after the announced release date, and which were (entirely correctly per historical use) categorised as vapourware: again, Windows is probably the most famous example of this.

Just because people incorrectly think it only has one meaning (not coming out ever) and ignoring the others (being laughably late, early announcement to used to ward of competition) doesn't mean that they're right.

It's like GD's come to OOPE.

Tippia, you should totally drop into LAGL while you're here so Boss can flirt with you.