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Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-01-28 05:30:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alea
This thread is no longer useful so needs to go away, since CCP is going to kill SP trading themselves I no longer feel the need to kill players who inject SP myself.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#2 - 2016-01-28 05:35:23 UTC
Couldn't care less and 100% you won't be able to identify them without an API anyway. Have fun being bitter.

Daemun of Khanid
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-01-28 06:00:09 UTC
Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#4 - 2016-01-28 06:13:48 UTC
Alea wrote:

Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will.



Well if the SP rfate works out at more than 2700, I guess that'd be an obvious sign, otherwise, what does it matter and who really cares. Especially after considering one can buy characters.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#5 - 2016-01-28 06:29:29 UTC
Wow the butthurt and bitterness is great in this one.....ShockedRoll




I dont like it, but not for the reasons most will think it for, I dislike CCP either feeling they NEED to or the reality that CCP might HAVE to make more cash off players. And thats simply something that I dislike about life itself in general and not CCP personally anyway. "Nickel and diming others."


Other than that this merely trades SPs amoung players much like plex trades isk. No more are created and in fact some will be lost in this process over time. Which ironically makes SP itself just as valuable if not more valuable over the long run. So in that regard CCP has created a fascinating tool to trade SP while maintaining their value and integrity on the market. So kudos to them for figuring that out.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2016-01-28 06:31:22 UTC
I'll be siphoning off my alt and injecting my main

I live in black rise.

Please come kill me
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-01-28 06:36:37 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple.


Because that is being done as I type.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-01-28 06:38:31 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
I'll be siphoning off my alt and injecting my main

I live in black rise.

Please come kill me



There is a good chance that we fly together from time to time so that would be detrimental.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2016-01-28 06:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Silver linings and whatnot.
Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions.
Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps.
Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears.

This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid.

I for one look forward to dining on space veal.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
#10 - 2016-01-28 06:55:50 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Silver linings and whatnot.
Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions.
Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps.
Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears.

This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid.

I for one look forward to dining on space veal.


^^ This Twisted
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-01-28 07:01:18 UTC
Bruce Kemp wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Silver linings and whatnot.
Think of all those PLEX fattened week old newbs flying around in their pimp fit battleships running level 2 and 3 missions.
Now, imagine if you will their mighty indignation at you swiping one of THEIR precious metal scraps.
Hilarity ensues, followed by buckets of tears.

This poses odd opportunities for preying on the stupid.

I for one look forward to dining on space veal.


^^ This Twisted


Most encounters would probably be by chance, I want to actively hunt them as a group or corp activity.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2016-01-28 07:15:22 UTC
I don't see anything stopping you from doing this.
In high sec the mission hubs will likely have a fairly decent population of them, but it will require time and effort to identify them.
In low sec I'm sure FW will see an influx of them as well. Same as above.
The targets will be out there, you're just going to have to work for them like any other targets.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#13 - 2016-01-28 07:16:17 UTC
And yet OP will **** and moan about how there's no new meat coming into the game leading to fewer cheap targets to kill, errr... I mean less chance for meaningful player vs. player interaction and reduced content. Roll
Miles Winter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-01-28 07:32:42 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
Why limit who you're going to shoot? Just shoot everybody not purple.

Why stop there?

Shoot the purple too.
Miles Winter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-01-28 07:36:17 UTC
Alea wrote:

Well if the SP rfate works out at more than 2700, I guess that'd be an obvious sign, otherwise, what does it matter and who really cares. Especially after considering one can buy characters.

That's assuming the players in question have stayed subbed during their entire gametime.

I've been on/off for ~5 years and I've only got about 18m skillpoints (perhaps 25m or so with my alt included)
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#16 - 2016-01-28 07:59:44 UTC
The only way to calculate it will be a very convoluted and twisted way of doing so. Age of character multiplied by 2700 sp/hr to get relative max SPs for that age, and then given the ship type and weapons on said ship gives you relative SP needed to sit in ship youd need to see if they can actually use that ship. Only way I can see other than API info.

Say 10 day toon is sitting in a t2 cruiser. Not enough time to train to said ship in that time frame. So you know its been bought. But have fun hunting for such toons. Roll


Miles Winter the SP case wouldnt apply to your situation as your character has been in game long enough to have MORE, atm we can judge approx how many SPs a toon CAN have through the 2700SP/hr formula just based on age. That will no longer be possible and therefore make engagements with "noob" toons much more dangerous as youll start running into vets with maxed skills in said ships from 1 day old thinking from the show info and age youve just found "easy meat" and then get wtf pwned.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2016-01-28 08:15:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Betting on stupid is often pretty safe.
There are always going to be people under the misconception that ISK + SP = WIN.
It doesn't.
Maxed skills in a ship doesn't mean the player actually has any real idea how to effectively apply those skills.
That's one of those things I've always loved about EVE, what the player understands and is able to apply has a greater impact than the numbers on their character sheet.

Even without SP injection there are plenty of delusional nooblets out there flying billion ISK battlecruisers, complete with spinning rims and party lighting, drunk on their own overconfidence.

Adding the SP injectors wont magically turn them into vets, it's just going to fast track them to their first shiny battleship loss.
It's up to us as responsible capsuleers to capitalize on their greed and overconfidence, and in the process help enlighten them in the error of their ways. Be an educator!

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#18 - 2016-01-28 08:41:13 UTC
Alea wrote:
This is not a recruitment post it's just a feeler.

Just curious, myself being a bitter vet who's jimmies are rustled hard core over SP injection who would want to add some content for the instant gratification kiddies after that feature is implemented.?

Either be via a dedicated corp or steal the idea of NPSI fleets and hunt with whomever wants to join a special fleet or maybe another way.? Not wanting to do a lame CODE type of venture something closer to real pvp, be it in HS, low or null.

Of course this all hinges on if CCP will keep SP injection hidden from other players, I personally feel SP injection needs to be reflected in a characters profile in one form or another, a form of shaming if you will.

Any interest or ideas.? Lets hear them..




To be honest, the people who are most likely to purchase SP are going to be the alts of vets who will know exactly what SP they are wanting to purchase. A total noob is not even going to know where to start, unless he does the homework.

So this is not going to be like taking out hapless "carebears".

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alea
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-01-28 08:46:08 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
And yet OP will **** and moan about how there's no new meat coming into the game leading to fewer cheap targets to kill, errr... I mean less chance for meaningful player vs. player interaction and reduced content. Roll



Where my mains are settled I have ample hard targets to chose from, I have never once cried about the lack of soft targets as I am not and will never be affiliated with CODE, to reiterate I want to pick on SP injectors as that rustles my jimmies.

Whomever is making the last few years decisions on what changes are to be implemented in this game, must hate Eve with all their being.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#20 - 2016-01-28 08:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Maybe they shoul add a visual clue as to separate who do this injecting.
https://twitter.com/JadekMenaheim/status/689402088711847937
It would be easier to hunt them.

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Burn them, burn them with lazors!

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