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Which Stealth Bomber?
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Theon Taylor
2 Days to Mine
The Worst Alliance
#1 - 2016-01-11 17:43:23 UTC
Hey,

I'm looking at investing in a stealth bomber recently, starting to spend a lot of time in WH space. I'm quite unsure with what Stealth bomber to get, I have all but the Manticore skilled, I was also wondering if there is any ideal one to run along side a Nemesis (Which is what my friend runs) I'll train any skills which remain before using it.

So I just wanted to know if there is a general consensus with which one is best to run generally? I think i'm more inclined towared the Purifier or Hound.

Thanks
Luther Fairfax
Wholesale Industrial Supply Co.
Reeloaded.
#2 - 2016-01-11 18:52:44 UTC
The two best bombers are the Hound and the Purifier.

Hound is faster with better raw dps.

Purifier is better (In WH space) due to the huge amount of shield ships (Haulers, Barges and site runners) that you'll encounter there.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-01-11 19:15:23 UTC
Nemesis looks the best, seconded by the Purifier.

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Jace Varus
Lemur Appreciation Society
#4 - 2016-01-11 21:18:24 UTC
The differences are subtle, but the Purifier's bonus to Mjolnir torpedoes helps a lot, as said above.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#5 - 2016-01-12 01:48:18 UTC
Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#6 - 2016-01-12 03:12:17 UTC
I found this post from Chessur informative when I was choosing a SB. The rest of the blog has a lot of good info on the life of a SB.

Chance says it's a choice between a 4/4/2 layout (Manticore/Nemesis) and 4/3/3 layout (Hound/Purifier). His 'Torpedo Delivery' handbook has a lot of good information on skill training, missile effects and bomber selection.

The other consideration is the natural resist/damage profile of each race, but that's mostly for fw missions.
Luther Fairfax
Wholesale Industrial Supply Co.
Reeloaded.
#7 - 2016-01-18 07:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Luther Fairfax
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest.


You can look at this a number of ways.

1. It actually really depends on what race and tech level of ship you're shooting
2. EM is still often the lowest resist even after it's been plugged
3. Lots of people fit their ships to have uniform resists so it sometimes doesn't really matter what you shoot anyway
4. The kinds of ships that fall inside the engagement profile of a bomber are usually the kind that are shield tanked

I can't speak for him, obviously, but I do think there's a reason for his choice of Bomber.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2016-01-19 01:47:15 UTC
You can always ask Wingspan which bomber to fly, that have the experience.

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Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-01-19 15:36:14 UTC
There isn't a tremendous amount of difference between them. The biggest difference is the slot layout. For a 4/4/2 layout, I think the Nemesis is probably best, and for a 4/3/3 layout, I prefer the Purifier. The ones with 3 lowslots will generally put out better DPS, but there is more utility in the 4 midslot bombers.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#10 - 2016-01-19 17:47:17 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Nemesis looks the best, seconded by the Purifier.

Think you mispelt Manticore.

Oh god.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#11 - 2016-01-19 20:36:31 UTC
Luther Fairfax wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest.


You can look at this a number of ways.

1. It actually really depends on what race and tech level of ship you're shooting
2. EM is still often the lowest resist even after it's been plugged
3. Lots of people fit their ships to have uniform resists so it sometimes doesn't really matter what you shoot anyway
4. The kinds of ships that fall inside the engagement profile of a bomber are usually the kind that are shield tanked

I can't speak for him, obviously, but I do think there's a reason for his choice of Bomber.


But it's not? Any t1 or faction shield ship that uses an EM rig will leave thermal as its lowest for example.
Luther Fairfax
Wholesale Industrial Supply Co.
Reeloaded.
#12 - 2016-01-22 08:13:31 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Luther Fairfax wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest.


You can look at this a number of ways.

1. It actually really depends on what race and tech level of ship you're shooting
2. EM is still often the lowest resist even after it's been plugged
3. Lots of people fit their ships to have uniform resists so it sometimes doesn't really matter what you shoot anyway
4. The kinds of ships that fall inside the engagement profile of a bomber are usually the kind that are shield tanked

I can't speak for him, obviously, but I do think there's a reason for his choice of Bomber.


But it's not? Any t1 or faction shield ship that uses an EM rig will leave thermal as its lowest for example.


Yeah, EFT'd it up, checked out some fits and it looks like you're right. My mistake.

However, most unfit/passive/failfit industrial ships and passive fit shield ships still have an EM hole, do they not? They seem to account for a lot of the kills I get in my Purifier, but I would be curious to spend a month or two doing nothing but bomber PVP in WH's, duplicate the fit on EFT of every ship I killed during that time and figure out what the most common resist hole throughout all of those ships is.
Susie Homemaker
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#13 - 2016-01-24 02:34:29 UTC
Luther Fairfax wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest.


You can look at this a number of ways.

1. It actually really depends on what race and tech level of ship you're shooting
2. EM is still often the lowest resist even after it's been plugged
3. Lots of people fit their ships to have uniform resists so it sometimes doesn't really matter what you shoot anyway
4. The kinds of ships that fall inside the engagement profile of a bomber are usually the kind that are shield tanked

I can't speak for him, obviously, but I do think there's a reason for his choice of Bomber.


Polletjepikhaar. I see him every once in a while and have spoken to him a few times in the past. His favorite bomber (IIRC) is the Hound for it's speed and one or two other characteristics but he flies the Purifier due to EM.

1. Yes, this is true.
2. No it's not, though you've already picked up on your mistake.
3. Yeah sometimes.
4. True.

What you get a lot of the time in WH's is people flying totally unfitted (or failfit) haulers, barges or other ships like salvagers or site runners. Also all of the ORE ships are shield tanked and because miners are basically prime targets for a bomber, provided they're not bait, I think that is why EM is the most effective ammo type.

Those Ventures though. Sometime's being able to fit 2 scrams is reaaaaaallly nice, since i'm too cheap to fly a bomber with blingy 3 point scrams.

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ZmajOgnjeniVuk
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-01-27 09:46:03 UTC
Manticore best core! Pirate
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#15 - 2016-01-27 10:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Purifier and Hound are best in terms of damage output.
You can squeeze 2 BCS into them on top of MSE, point and/or even damage control.

[Purifier, 713 DPS heated]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Bay Loading Accelerator II
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II


[Purifier, 656 DPS heated]
Internal Force Field Array I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Warp Disruptor II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

if you dont need a point, fit for pure damage

[Purifier, 839 DPS heated]
Co-Processor II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Target Painter II

Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Bay Loading Accelerator II
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II




you can do similar fits with the hound too, which has a different damage type and shield resistance profile.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#16 - 2016-01-27 16:08:08 UTC
ZmajOgnjeniVuk wrote:
Manticore best core! Pirate



For a couple of reasons.

1. Most folks can fly them, so it's easy to match up bomb damage (everyone grab a manticore works, everyone grab a purifier - not so much)
2. You can fit a point, painter, sebo and mwd on a manticore and go damage in the lows. The 4-3-3 layouts just don't give you the utility.
3. It's a great all arounder w/ high utility.


I don't really tank bombers. MWD helps you dictate range if it's required and cov ops cloak is your main tank (you pick targets and timing). I fly wh, so I go w/ bomb launcher and guile.

I know a bunch of folks do (at least did) use them in FW against other frigs. Some of those fits are interesting, but I've never flown them, so can't speak to their value.

All arounder fit:

Arby torps
bomb launcher
cov ops cloak

MWD
Sebo w/ scan res script
painter
long point

BCS
DC or I-stab (depending on your fitting skills)

ROF rig
Damage rig

I use mjorn faction torps (guristas??) and concussion bombs


It's a great average fit for anything that may come up. I use this as the 'go to' bomber when 'get it a bomber' goes out on comms. The only thing it is THE BEST at is having fun.
Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-01-27 22:29:54 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:

All arounder fit:

Arby torps
bomb launcher
cov ops cloak


I was curious why Arbalest launchers instead of Tech 2....till i fitted at EFT.....

Shame they dont have enough CPU/PG to fit T2.... Now i wonder why Stealth Bombers are so crippled ships...
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-01-28 00:09:42 UTC
Depending on what you are trying to do, i would suggest a combat fit astero over any bomber. more variety in target selection that way, after all variety is the spice of life or something

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Orlacc
#19 - 2016-01-28 02:16:46 UTC
No uncloaking target delay on a Bomber though. I like that.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Orlacc
#20 - 2016-01-28 02:17:36 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
No uncloaking target delay on a Bomber though. I like that.
Oh and it is hard for a Astero to blow up a large indy or BS.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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