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Zydrine is broken

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Arnaz Finx
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-09 14:14:37 UTC
So its now practically better to mine tritanium than crokite.. a high end mineral.

Zydrine prices continue to take a dive because of drone regions..

When are you going to fix high end minerals and make 0,0 mining somewhat lucrative.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-09 14:18:17 UTC
So mine Trit? It is more valuable in 0.0 - as I understand 0.0 supercap builders are happy to pay a premium for 0.0 Trit - saves them the time and effort to do compression and JF hauling from empire...
Levija Saplina
Ken Interplanetary Communication
#3 - 2012-01-09 14:33:05 UTC
I head cries, I laughed.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#4 - 2012-01-09 17:40:54 UTC
Confirmed. I tried to make a rifter and the factory told me, "Zydrine broken. Come back later." Now all my fights are in bursts.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#5 - 2012-01-09 17:43:49 UTC
Need I add that Crokite is still more valuable than any high sec ore to mine? "Practically better" isn't the same as "actually better".
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-09 20:33:29 UTC
Drone regions in the North, Large NOS and Smartbomb reproc in the south.

Not to worry. The thing with under priced tumbles is it gets easier and easier to corner the market. I have it at around 80 billion right now. Still too rich for my blood.
Adunh Slavy
#7 - 2012-01-09 21:35:22 UTC

Zyd price, like all other mineral prices, is kept generally low due to easy supply. Mineral prices are unable to react to the increase in the monetary base because they are sourced from many of the same activities that are also ISK faucets, and of course drones.

The only good thing to be said about this situation is that it keeps ship prices down, however it cheapens the dynamic potential of the Eve economy. Instead of the economic landscape fostering diversity, divisions of labor and real gains to be made in specialization/focused effort, the economy is homogenized, and in my opinion, at the expense of our game play experience.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

IonHammer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-01-10 00:39:25 UTC
I haven't see seen people mining in null sec for high end mins for years,

remembers the golden days when zyd hit 20k + a unit
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#9 - 2012-01-10 00:41:27 UTC
Zydrine and Megacyte both suffer from glamour complex. Right now there is more than enough of both to make 60 Titans in Jita alone. The thing I can't figure out with those two is, they usually come with all the others and in a balanced formula. Every Zydrine will net you 100 trit for example. That tends to be true even for drone poo. Unless they are just leaving the lower end alloys and compounds.

The T1 ratios are actually balanced quite well. What ever is creating the gluts is player oriented.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Nerdy McButtHurt Trald
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-01-10 03:20:00 UTC
Bring back the old scale insurance for 100% payout.

Then the Insurance Exchange rate would sort out the mineral price.
Brock Nelson
#11 - 2012-01-10 03:48:37 UTC
Zydrine took an arrow to its knee

Signature removed, CCP Phantom

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#12 - 2012-01-10 11:29:25 UTC
high-sec minerals are going up in price... for a couple of weeks...
Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#13 - 2012-01-10 12:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Block Ukx
Arnaz Finx wrote:
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When are you going to fix high end minerals and make 0,0 mining somewhat lucrative.



The drop in Zydrine prices is a direct result of the free market nature of the eve economy and the constraints impose by its design. There is no “fix” for a single mineral; all minerals are correlated. From time to time, ccp tries to “fix” the market by altering the correlation coefficients in the mineral basket. Last year we saw ccp’s influence in Nocxium prices via the Noctis. Other tools ccp has to alter the balance between mineral prices include ore composition, composition of loot drops, new ship designs, etc. While ccp plays a major role in re-directing the price balance in the mineral market, ccp has no control on player’s actions. For instance, many new miners make the common mistake of mining Omber because Isogen has a higher price than Tritanium, without understanding that income rate is an important factor in choosing an ore to mine.

As long as Mexallon prices remain high and Tritanium and/or Pyerite prices climb, Zydrine prices will remain low or might even drop below 700 ISK. If Tritanium and Pyerite surge up in price and Zydrine remains in the 700 - 750 price range, you can be certain that Megacyte prices will drop. Because mineral prices are constraint, it is very unlikely that Zydrine prices will drop below 600 ISK.

I for one enjoy price swings as it makes the mineral market a prime ground for price speculation. Although, in eve is more of a time speculation than a price speculation. Most people would agree that Zydrine prices will rise at some point in the future. But when is another story.

If you are looking for a long-term investment, buying Zydrine is good choice. However, if you don’t want to deal with trading hassles and want your Zydrine investment to grow, I would recommend investing in ZYDIF.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#14 - 2012-01-10 13:25:13 UTC
CCP can also adjust relative values a bit by changing how a particular batch of ore pays out in minerals when refined. For instance, maybe they should add a bit of Mexallon to all of the ABCs. Which wouldn't help with Zyd prices but would boost the values of ABCs. Adding 800 units of Mex to Ark would only add about 3.5% to the value of Ark, so you'd have to also add about 150 units of Nocx to the pool (and maybe 10% more Pye/Trit to the batches).

Or they could reduce the amount of Zydrine that comes from drone loot / item reprocessing. Or (more likely) decrease the amount of drone loot / item loot drops which get reprocessed into minerals. More likely for the latter because they have turned down the "junk" drops from NPC rat wrecks in the past.

(Ark is about 336 ISK/m3 using empire mineral prices, Bist is 233 and Croc is only 169. The hi-sec ores right now are between 100-150 due to the Mex/Trit/Pye price increases. So the only way to boost null-sec ore value in relation to hi-sec ores is to put more minerals into those rocks.)