Ships & Modules

Basic question, which of the above to use?

Is a HML tengu viable in LVL4s or do I need HAMs? It's about the same train time for HAMs as it is for Cal/Gal BS 4, Tengu is already trained.

I know that fully trained RS can push 1200 dps easy with good application (assuming nice skills). From what I remember HM-Tengu tops out in the 700's and HAM-Tengu tops in the 950+ range.

Personally I like the look and feel of a RS sending Uber Sentries out and pummeling with Cruise missiles from afar, but thats just me!

Often times replacing the amps with invul fields are more effective, because of the larger bonus.

My fit for angel space: https://o.smium.org/loadout/60118

[Lvl 4 Tengu - Blitz]

6x HAM Launcher II

2x T2 Mission Specific Hardeners
1x Target Painter II
1x Gistum C-Type Med Shield Booster
1x Gistum C-Type 10mn AB
1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
1x Ballistic Control System II

1x Med Cap Control Circuit II
1x Med Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
1x Med Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

Gravitational Capacitor
Accelerated Ejection Bay
Augmented Cap Reservoir
Amplification Node
Dissolution Sequencer


I use this to blitz level 4's. 964 kinetic DPS with my skills. 34kms with rage, 61kms with Javs. It's cap stable enough. Fit costs in the neighborhood of 1.2 or 1.3 bil. Gravitational rig for warp speed. You still get about 550 m/s which is fast enough to speed tank. You still have to watch your triggers and kill the frigs first.

I find this more fun than a Rattler, but yeah, a Rattler would probably be better if I was clearing the rooms.

Either will be ridiculously OP for L4 missions.

I suggest the Tengu. If you're buying an expensive ship for PvE, why not just get the ship that can also handle the highest end null sec/WH PvE as well? A properly blinged Tengu can solo The Maze 10/10 site.
Why would you fly anything else?

Not only that- but it can fly around cloaked/nullified, scan down it's own sites, then refit to run the site........it's the only ship you need. Then, if you get bored with shooting rats, take that same ship and go do some hacking sites too.
Still not enough utility? Swap out some subsystems and take that Tengu out to PvP. Cloaky ambusher? Boosting ship? EWAR support? Straight in your face DPS? Tengu will do that with either missiles or guns on it.

When your shiny ship eventually does catch the attention of a would be aggressor- what is going to align out and get to warp faster when that hostile lands on grid? Not the battleship.

I have both ships, and specifically used the Rattler in L4's for a bit. I mostly rat in null sec with a Tengu. Both are 'easy mode' for PvE, so really, it comes down to your skills and preference- neither is going to be dented by any high sec PvE short of Incursions. I just think the Tengu has much more utility for doing OTHER things too.

Say what , and it applies perfectly to everything but frigs, then again precision missiles make cannon fooder out of frigs. I quite like this fit.

[Tengu, Dragster King]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Scourge Precision Heavy Missile x4420
Scourge Fury Heavy Missile x10243

+ related hardwirings.

Damn i didnt even know there were range enhancing modules for missiles.
Maybe a HAM fit with acceptable range and tank is possible (55KM).

Yeah i just took a closer look at it, 80 DPS more is not a good trade, it would slow down missions even more due to having to burn more distance. For lvl4 running id still say HMLs are the way to go, HAMs are better suited for null ratting and pvp.

Then why does my HML tengu do 802 DPS?

Oh i forgot about that, yeah 6% implants for missiles. Either way only way itd be satisfiable way to run lvl4s with HAMs would be with MWD fit rather than AB, which means the tank would be micromanaged instead. But when running multiple clients its more comfortable to have identical stable fits. So no without the range it cant work fluid enough.