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Target Painter's and Drones

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Trader20
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-01-26 11:54:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Trader20
Quick question.

Is drone damage effected by target painter's or do drones always do full damage? I'm getting conflicting answers.

Or more to the point is it worth fitting a tp on a drone based ship.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-01-26 12:34:24 UTC
depends
drones work much like ships in that their guns aply better the larger the signature radius of their target

target painters increase the signature radius of the target

light drones apply quite well to just about everything and wouldn't see a whole lot of benefit

however bigger ones would if they were shooting something like a frigate (or other drones).

the question is though, would you be better fitting one over a scripted tracking computer.

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#3 - 2016-01-26 13:28:11 UTC
Guns on drones use exactly the same math formula that the turrets on player ships use. Understanding that formula and the many variable will help you make the decision on the TP with drones.

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Orlacc
#4 - 2016-01-26 17:17:17 UTC
Drones love TPs

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#5 - 2016-01-26 18:51:36 UTC
Drones do benefit from tp's as stated above - it basically improves hit chance and quality. An omni tracking link with tracking script will do exactly the same job, doesn't need to be reapplied to each target, and can be rescripted for range as necessary. I know where I would put my isk for a drone ship, but it swings back in favour of tp if you want to also use secondary weapons or fleetmates.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-01-26 22:36:35 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Drones love TPs


Like this?

Grrr.

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#7 - 2016-01-27 01:33:01 UTC
They do benefit, though it's often useful for drawing aggro in PvE without needing highslot guns, leaving extra fitting and usually a bunch of free-to-use utility highs.

In PvP, TPs can be thought of as fleet EWAR since it helps the whole group (or can help the whole group at least), where as a drone mod improving application and/or projection only affects the host ship's drones and no one else.

Lights, Mediums, and Heavies actually have absurd tracking, but often murder most of it themselves with their own behaviors and other factors. Microwarping, orbiting at full speed, coupled with relatively poor projection compared to the kind of high-end velocities they get up to means that with stock stats they can still hit hard but you can also see a lot of grazing hits too. One volley might slam home then the next can go wide.

Reminds me of this one guy we had on rifle range; he could put half his rounds at the five hundred meter into black, dead center mass and all, then the rest would be too high to mark, berm hits, or "no impact, no idea." Blocks and Coaches used to call him "Mr. Alibi." Oddly, he never had even an ounce of issues at the two and three hundred meter line, rapid or slow fire. At least he had a sense of humor about it. I miss those days. Good times.

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Orlacc
#8 - 2016-01-27 01:34:07 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
Drones love TPs


Like this?



Yep!

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#9 - 2016-02-03 19:16:35 UTC
The Bigpuns wrote:
Drones do benefit from tp's as stated above - it basically improves hit chance and quality. An omni tracking link with tracking script will do exactly the same job, doesn't need to be reapplied to each target, and can be rescripted for range as necessary. I know where I would put my isk for a drone ship, but it swings back in favour of tp if you want to also use secondary weapons or fleetmates.


In a one or the other option, this is a good call. However, in an armor tanked ship, you may have room for both. In this case, a TP may be better than a 2nd or 3rd omni as the on his would face stacking penalties that a TP plus omni would not.
Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#10 - 2016-02-04 03:00:13 UTC
Does anyone happen to know what ranges the different drones orbit at? I've tried to find the info but havn't had much luck.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#11 - 2016-02-04 04:42:01 UTC
Trader20 wrote:
Or more to the point is it worth fitting a tp on a drone based ship.


i used to use a Gila + 2x VNIs for ratting. The Target Painter kept rat aggro on the Gila and off the relatively squishy VNIs and drone.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2016-02-04 04:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Ignore me.
Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#13 - 2016-02-04 23:43:25 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Ignore me.


No.
Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2016-02-04 23:46:14 UTC
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
Does anyone happen to know what ranges the different drones orbit at? I've tried to find the info but havn't had much luck.

Not sure if accurate seems right.

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Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#15 - 2016-02-04 23:50:06 UTC
No they changed it back in 2014, but never said what the new numbers were What?

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/
Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2016-02-05 00:07:18 UTC
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
No they changed it back in 2014, but never said what the new numbers were What?

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/

It does give the % increase though, assuming the post i referenced was correct, you should be able to just apply the %.

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Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#17 - 2016-02-05 00:20:37 UTC
Wow, didn't even think of that for some reason X

Thanks for pointing it out lol
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#18 - 2016-02-05 07:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
Wow, didn't even think of that for some reason X

Thanks for pointing it out lol


Or just download the spreadsheet at the bottom of that devblog. Pretty sure Entity fly range is the orbit distance.