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Rorqual Jump range AKA CCP hates industrial players
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#21 - 2016-01-25 21:32:41 UTC
AFLACK wrote:


Instead we have "tear collectors" the lowest form of life in eve..


Says you. The Encyclopedia Britannica has a more flattering definition. Bear


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we had a saying.. who you are in eve reflects who you are IRL


Well, that's just plain silly.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Paranoid Loyd
#22 - 2016-01-25 21:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Bumblefck wrote:
AFLACK wrote:


we had a saying.. who you are in eve reflects who you are IRL


Well, that's just plain silly.

My Queen, does that mean.... you're not Freddy Mercury then? Sad

Do you even have a real mustache?!?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#23 - 2016-01-25 21:45:16 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:


My Queen, does that mean.... you're not Freddy Mercury then?




Let's just say, I have channeled his spirit very effectively Pirate

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Do you even have a real mustache?!?



You bet your sweet ass I do - evidence

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#24 - 2016-01-25 21:49:14 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
AFLACK wrote:
whatever happened to speaking up and pointing out the issues to help make the game better?

Instead we have "tear collectors" the lowest form of life in eve..
we had a saying.. who you are in eve reflects who you are IRL..

Because it isn't really about making the game better. It's just about making it easier for you.

That OP isn't interested in the health of the game. It doesn't consider that the hunters that sit in that system are also allowed their fun. It doesn't consider that perhaps there are other ways to do things within the current mechanics.

The whole thing was a whine about how it's difficult to do what you want to do and that's CCP's fault.

So of course there is tear collection, because the tone of your OP is all about tears. Nothing at all to do with making the game better; and if tear collection is somehow a reflection of people IRL, then surely the shedding of them must be as well.


this:

to the op, you got several suggestions on how to fix your problem. but you ignored them and or whined. Yes there is an issue with the rorq range, there is also an issue with the JF range. This atm is intended design by ccp, and this topic was beaten to death a year ago (if you have actively played for 13 years you would know this). You made no suggestion that can;t be fixed with current mechanics. 'i'm jumping to a system with no station' then deploy a pos or change systems. 'i can;t get away fast enough' then modify your fit so you can. 'i have died in this area 5 times' then move to a different area. i have lost a single ship to being jumped while in cyno. and i think it was a rorq. i had another rorq stolen, that was in apx 4 years. So the game doen;t need to change (well it DOES but not for your reasons) and you need to adapt. Take advise and fix what your messing up.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#25 - 2016-01-25 21:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
DaReaper wrote:
You made no suggestion that can;t be fixed with current mechanics. 'i'm jumping to a system with no station' then deploy a pos or change systems. 'i can;t get away fast enough' then modify your fit so you can. 'i have died in this area 5 times' then move to a different area.

and very soon, if you absolutely have to use that system as a midway point, then put up a medium Citadel and jump to that. Hopefully cynos will be able to be lit at 0 like with current stations, so you should be able to jump straight to tether range and even dock (I think Rorquals can dock in a Medium, but might be mistaken).
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-01-25 22:01:42 UTC
If there's a gap in the map you know you cannot cross with a Rorqual, don't try to cross it with a Rorqual. I fail to see the problem.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#27 - 2016-01-25 22:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
AFLACK wrote:

There is a certin system called OIJANEN, trying to cross this area with either a carrior or Rorqual is near impossible. There are no other systems besides Null to jump into..

I have lost 5 due to jump issues in this area..



Definition of insanity.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#28 - 2016-01-25 22:04:55 UTC
AFLACK wrote:
I am effectivly STUCK!!

Déjà vu ... or a glitch in The Matrix.

My Rorqual is parked in lowsec, in the only station system I could reach pre-nerf. Post-nerf, it can't return.

Rorqual range is not an uncommon problem it seems:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6205954#post6205954
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#29 - 2016-01-25 22:26:45 UTC
Sorry, total newbie here so ignore me completely if you like...

Isn't there a 'server up' time when you could log in and nobody is likely around and bail out of the system? I've read about things like that being used for tricky spots like this, dunno if it applies here.

Also, I have run my Nereus and Miasmos around and they maneuver like garbage. If I think I'm going to have issues with pointing and warping, I fill my low slots with Inertial Stabilizers and the ships point and warp much faster. I'm sure there are better options but it works well for the two ships I listed. I even dropped one on my Procurer while I'm training for the ability to use the low slot item I really want to put there. It scoots pretty good on just one. With two (transported it new back to base with no fitting other than the IS's) it was point and shoot. I keep a small wad of the critters on hand for just this kind of mess.

Also, I do believe mass counts. If you have cargo, you might have to abandon or offload it to make the ship lighter and more maneuverable. A pricey ship with a pricey cargo is worth zero ISK just sitting there. A pricey ship without pricey cargo but free to go and do things suffers a minor set back but goes on to be profitable.

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Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#30 - 2016-01-25 22:32:46 UTC
AFLACK wrote:
screw it... Eve is dying


no, just you mate, just you Big smile

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#31 - 2016-01-25 23:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Sorry, total newbie here so ignore me completely if you like...

Isn't there a 'server up' time when you could log in and nobody is likely around and bail out of the system? I've read about things like that being used for tricky spots like this, dunno if it applies here.

Yes, immediately before and immediately post-DT can be good times to move, however:

- DT is at 11:00 evetime daily. If you are at work in the EU or in bed in the US, it's a bit inconvenient/difficult except on weekends
- Hunters also login as soon as they can post-DT, so it isn't always safer at that time

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Also, I have run my Nereus and Miasmos around and they maneuver like garbage. If I think I'm going to have issues with pointing and warping, I fill my low slots with Inertial Stabilizers and the ships point and warp much faster. I'm sure there are better options but it works well for the two ships I listed.

Yeah inertia stabilisers can work.

In this case, with moving a Rorqual, he is lighting a cyno and then jumping into system as a midway point to jumping out to a different system.

So he has a couple of options, if he needs to go through a system like that at all:

1. fit a web to his cyno ship so that when he jumps to the cyno, the cyno can then web him into warp to a safe

2. self-destruct the cyno ship and only light the cyno with a few seconds on the timer to go. With good timing, as soon as he jumps, the cyno ship will self destruct and the cyno will go down, having only been visible for a few seconds. He can then either try to warp or immediately cloak.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#32 - 2016-01-25 23:20:27 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Sorry, total newbie here so ignore me completely if you like...

Isn't there a 'server up' time when you could log in and nobody is likely around and bail out of the system? I've read about things like that being used for tricky spots like this, dunno if it applies here.

Yes, immediately before and immediately post-DT can be good times to move, however:

- DT is at 11:00 evetime daily. If you are at work in the EU or in bed in the US, it's a bit inconvenient/difficult except on weekends
- Hunters also login as soon as they can post-DT, so it isn't always safer at that time

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Also, I have run my Nereus and Miasmos around and they maneuver like garbage. If I think I'm going to have issues with pointing and warping, I fill my low slots with Inertial Stabilizers and the ships point and warp much faster. I'm sure there are better options but it works well for the two ships I listed.

Yeah inertia stabilisers can work.

In this case, with moving a Rorqual, he is lighting a cyno and then jumping into system as a midway point to jumping out to a different system.

So he has a couple of options, if he needs to go through a system like that at all:

1. fit a web to his cyno ship so that when he jumps to the cyno, the cyno can then web him into warp to a safe

2. self-destruct the cyno ship and only light the cyno with a few seconds on the timer to go. With good timing, as soon as he jumps, the cyno ship will self destruct and the cyno will go down, having only been visible for a few seconds. He can then either try to warp or immediately cloak.



or you know, if you use the system all the time, deploy a small pos, cyno next to and scoot into that.

also, you have this great tool called 'local' if you see someone in it besides you, don;t jump

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#33 - 2016-01-25 23:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
DaReaper wrote:
or you know, if you use the system all the time, deploy a small pos, cyno next to and scoot into that.

also, you have this great tool called 'local' if you see someone in it besides you, don;t jump

Yeah, although a cyno field won't appear closer than 25km from the forcefield, so it's still better to light the cyno at >150km and then warp into the forcefield.

If you have a large POS with a tonne of defences, then it might be ok close to the POS, but dedicated capital hunters will eventually plan around that.

And yes, the best option is to not jump into the system when there are others in local.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2016-01-26 03:02:55 UTC
Seriously, though - If you need to get the Rorqual out, just go through Nullsec. You may not be able to dock there, but chances are much better you will find an empty system, which will give you enough time to warp the Rorq to a safespot, cap up and move on.
Poo Sugar
Swiss Army Spoons
#35 - 2016-01-26 06:20:20 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Seriously, though - If you need to get the Rorqual out, just go through Nullsec. You may not be able to dock there, but chances are much better you will find an empty system, which will give you enough time to warp the Rorq to a safespot, cap up and move on.


A goon with a genuinely helpful tip? Now I KNOW Eve is dying.
Thorian Baalnorn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2016-01-26 07:22:14 UTC
Unfortunately for the OP the part of Null that he would need to jump into is actually pretty heavily used. Why cant you just go the other way around eve? Or sell it on that side and buy another on the other side. Or any of the various other suggestions.

BTW CCP doesnt hate miners. The only ships that have a better jump range are JFs and black ops. Every other class of capital would also get stuck there which is why its probably a hotspot.

I do find it amusing the only two class of ships that wouldnt get stuck in that system ( with JC 4) are the only two classes that can go into high sec...The irony of that one.

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Ibutho Inkosi
Doomheim
#37 - 2016-01-26 08:22:12 UTC
Any man can master a grief save he who has one. -Willie the Shake-

As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#38 - 2016-01-26 08:27:06 UTC
AFLACK wrote:
I have lost 5 due to jump issues in this area.. But oh well instead of looking for a fix I should just look for another game.. its been a good 14 years.. and the CCP go Boom effort makes me want to give up.. no to mention the lower quality of people that play now.. F1 monkeys


You've just been offered a fix, more than one.

Perhaps what you should have said is

AFLACK wrote:
I have lost 5 due to jump issues in this area.. But oh well instead of looking for someone else to fix it, I should just look for another game..

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#39 - 2016-01-26 09:28:22 UTC
anyway guys he has revealed his plans publicly on the forums, those systems will probably be even more populated with capital hunters now

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#40 - 2016-01-26 10:48:54 UTC
A word of advice. Never EVER come in to the forums expecting sympathy for your stupidity, that's just plain errr stupid.

If you are losing expensive ships in a system, either move, or get some backup.

The problem is not the dirty stinking, hot dropping, gate camping, scamming dregs of society blowing your ship up, the problem is you allowing them to do it.

By the way apologies to all the dirty stinking, hot dropping, gate camping, scamming dregs of society out there. I love you all really.

Seriously though OP, get a clue and HTFU

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