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Dev blog: The First Citadels: Help Upwell Consortium build the world

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Makoto Priano
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#21 - 2016-01-25 17:12:11 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Helios Anduath wrote:
So does this mean that the top contributor will no longer be rewarded with a BPC and being named on the "cornerstone" of the first citadel as orignially stated?


This means lots of people will be eligible for a chance to win BPCs, even if they are not the top contributor. There is nothing to say we won't also reward that special person :)


Hmm.

Dominant strategy is to split one's RC pool into multiple parts to limit invalidated ticket exposure. Flip side, if there's an ego element, it might draw major parties to do the contribution in an inefficient way.

Hmmm.

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#22 - 2016-01-25 17:13:51 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
This means lots of people will be eligible for a chance to win BPCs, even if they are not the top contributor. There is nothing to say we won't also reward that special person :)


:) I think that in-game recognition in/on one of the citadels is a more longer-lasting and game-shaping reward than a silly BPC ;)
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#23 - 2016-01-25 17:18:05 UTC
Anyura wrote:
So do we need to contract each component individually for a chance, or if I have say 5 and contract all 5 in one, is that one entry or 5?


5 in one contract will count as 5 entries :)

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#24 - 2016-01-25 17:22:12 UTC
Please rename the generic "Research Component" to something with more flavor in it, like "Upwell Research Component."

What will be unique about these BPC's, beside being the first ones released? BPC's are going to flood the market once the BPO is "published." Will this be a limited-time exclusive for the lucky capsuleers? For how long? At the very least, please set them to max research level.

If the special BPC's are allowed to circulate for a month before general availability, they would become temporarily quite valuable, and any built citadel would become a PvP magnet.
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#25 - 2016-01-25 17:26:22 UTC
Mynxee wrote:
I wonder if this was a response to complaints from smaller entities who felt they couldn't compete on the same footing as larger ones for the "cornerstone" recognition originally mentioned in Updates. If so, its too bad that that there wasn't a clever way provided for those entities to partner up and compete with pooled resources yet still get individual recognition somehow if their partnership ended up as a top contributor.

I'm disappointed that the in-game recognition element was removed from this race. As a player very invested in EVE Online, having a chance for my corp or alliance to make a mark on the game itself would be a lot more fun and interesting to go for than a lottery.


Player names, including the top contributor and winners of the prize draw, will all feature on the description of the prototype citadels :) There is just also individual prizes for the draw.


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#26 - 2016-01-25 17:38:26 UTC
Just to clarify, and I will follow this up with a blog edit:

* The top contributor and all prize winners names will feature in the descriptions of the prototype citadels they helped to create
* Each research component counts as 1 entry; if you contract 5 at once, that is 5 entries
* The prize draws will happen at the end, each contracted research component counts as one entry that will be placed in the final draw
* As the additional prizes unlock, they will be added as additional prizes to the main draw
* If you entered one contract at the beginning, but the fortizar prize is unlocked, you are in the running for that prize
* The BPCs will be fully researched, whereas the ones available at release will not be

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#27 - 2016-01-25 17:38:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mynxee
CCP Affinity wrote:
Mynxee wrote:
I wonder if this was a response to complaints from smaller entities who felt they couldn't compete on the same footing as larger ones for the "cornerstone" recognition originally mentioned in Updates. If so, its too bad that that there wasn't a clever way provided for those entities to partner up and compete with pooled resources yet still get individual recognition somehow if their partnership ended up as a top contributor.

I'm disappointed that the in-game recognition element was removed from this race. As a player very invested in EVE Online, having a chance for my corp or alliance to make a mark on the game itself would be a lot more fun and interesting to go for than a lottery.


Player names, including the top contributor and winners of the prize draw, will all feature on the description of the prototype citadels :) There is just also individual prizes for the draw.



Shouldn't that recognition reward be mentioned in the dev blog? It is arguably more of an incentive than winning BPCs in a lottery for many players.

EDIT: Just saw your post above this one. Thanks!

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#28 - 2016-01-25 18:01:56 UTC
Just how badly do Upwell want these components? Can I contract them at 100mil/each? :D
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#29 - 2016-01-25 18:09:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mynxee
CCP Affinity wrote:
Just to clarify, and I will follow this up with a blog edit:

* The top contributor and all prize winners names will feature in the descriptions of the prototype citadels they helped to create
* Each research component counts as 1 entry; if you contract 5 at once, that is 5 entries
* The prize draws will happen at the end, each contracted research component counts as one entry that will be placed in the final draw
* As the additional prizes unlock, they will be added as additional prizes to the main draw
* If you entered one contract at the beginning, but the fortizar prize is unlocked, you are in the running for that prize
* The BPCs will be fully researched, whereas the ones available at release will not be


I believe you clarified this on Twitter but I want to make sure and it's worth covering here in the official comments thread anyway:

Is it true that all in-game recognition (as well as prize draws) will go to individual pilots only and NOT corporations or alliances?

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Miamato
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#30 - 2016-01-25 18:10:04 UTC
Did not found in dev block, but how exactly should we create contract?
Can it be created on any station (npc owned\player owned), contract type, price :)
Mister Ripley
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#31 - 2016-01-25 18:19:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Ripley
Miamato wrote:
Did not found in dev block, but how exactly should we create contract?
Can it be created on any station (npc owned\player owned), contract type, price :)

Bio says only in special stations: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Lee%20Brinalle

EDIT: Oh look: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Lee%20BrinaIle
I know scamming is not allowed in charity events. Is it allowed in this case?
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#32 - 2016-01-25 18:22:08 UTC
Mynxee wrote:
CCP Affinity wrote:
Just to clarify, and I will follow this up with a blog edit:

* The top contributor and all prize winners names will feature in the descriptions of the prototype citadels they helped to create
* Each research component counts as 1 entry; if you contract 5 at once, that is 5 entries
* The prize draws will happen at the end, each contracted research component counts as one entry that will be placed in the final draw
* As the additional prizes unlock, they will be added as additional prizes to the main draw
* If you entered one contract at the beginning, but the fortizar prize is unlocked, you are in the running for that prize
* The BPCs will be fully researched, whereas the ones available at release will not be


I believe you clarified this on Twitter but I want to make sure and it's worth covering here in the official comments thread anyway:

Is it true that all in-game recognition (as well as prize draws) will go to individual pilots only and NOT corporations or alliances?


Yes, individual

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#33 - 2016-01-25 18:29:13 UTC
Miamato wrote:
Did not found in dev block, but how exactly should we create contract?
Can it be created on any station (npc owned\player owned), contract type, price :)
If you ask for isk, I doubt your contract will be accepted ;-)

Lee Brinalle's in-game character bio lists locations where the items may be contracted... no highsec options are in that list. But since the dev blog and answers here don't mention it, a special drop off location may no longer be required.

Players are probably making contracts in the "wrong" locations right now... CCP Affinity - a clarification here that location does matter, or an update to Lee Brinalle's bio saying that location does not matter would be very helpful, before this gets too far out of hand :)
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#34 - 2016-01-25 18:37:36 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Well, nifty stuff! :D

Five Citadels by Upwell, and up to six potential draws?

What are the thresholds for the additional draws?

What's the story on being on the cornerstone for these? ;)

And may organizations such as, say, our little Drifter group make a contribution as a single entity?



Upwell have yet to announce specifics on the thresholds, but more info will be available on a new (pending) website as it is announced :)

Entries will be taken per capsuleer, so whoever sends the contract will be the person entered :)


Good...Good.... Does it matter if we contract 5 followed by a few hundred later as apposed to saving them all in one location and contracting them all at once?
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#35 - 2016-01-25 18:55:46 UTC
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:
Miamato wrote:
Did not found in dev block, but how exactly should we create contract?
Can it be created on any station (npc owned\player owned), contract type, price :)
If you ask for isk, I doubt your contract will be accepted ;-)

Lee Brinalle's in-game character bio lists locations where the items may be contracted... no highsec options are in that list. But since the dev blog and answers here don't mention it, a special drop off location may no longer be required.

Players are probably making contracts in the "wrong" locations right now... CCP Affinity - a clarification here that location does matter, or an update to Lee Brinalle's bio saying that location does not matter would be very helpful, before this gets too far out of hand :)


Will be updating the bio tomorrow :) there is no wrong location - any will do!

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#36 - 2016-01-25 18:56:23 UTC
Warlord Balrog wrote:
CCP Affinity wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Well, nifty stuff! :D

Five Citadels by Upwell, and up to six potential draws?

What are the thresholds for the additional draws?

What's the story on being on the cornerstone for these? ;)

And may organizations such as, say, our little Drifter group make a contribution as a single entity?



Upwell have yet to announce specifics on the thresholds, but more info will be available on a new (pending) website as it is announced :)

Entries will be taken per capsuleer, so whoever sends the contract will be the person entered :)


Good...Good.... Does it matter if we contract 5 followed by a few hundred later as apposed to saving them all in one location and contracting them all at once?


Nope, both will count

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#37 - 2016-01-25 18:56:32 UTC
Warlord Balrog wrote:
Good...Good.... Does it matter if we contract 5 followed by a few hundred later as apposed to saving them all in one location and contracting them all at once?
Should not matter when or how many or how often players submit components / tickets / entries, since the draw will happen one time on the last day, after all submitted components / tickets / entries are locked into in the barrel / bucket / hat.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#38 - 2016-01-25 19:30:06 UTC
Its kinda lame that NPCs are building the first ones :/

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#39 - 2016-01-25 19:39:24 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:
Miamato wrote:
Did not found in dev block, but how exactly should we create contract?
Can it be created on any station (npc owned\player owned), contract type, price :)
If you ask for isk, I doubt your contract will be accepted ;-)

Lee Brinalle's in-game character bio lists locations where the items may be contracted... no highsec options are in that list. But since the dev blog and answers here don't mention it, a special drop off location may no longer be required.

Players are probably making contracts in the "wrong" locations right now... CCP Affinity - a clarification here that location does matter, or an update to Lee Brinalle's bio saying that location does not matter would be very helpful, before this gets too far out of hand :)


Will be updating the bio tomorrow :) there is no wrong location - any will do!

WTF is that? That could have been a nice conflict driver for Low sec and make it at least a little bit difficult to provide the assistance. I mean, it's not like holding a Citadel will be a walk in the park so why does CCP paddle back on something that already introduces players to that expectation? That is just disappointing.

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#40 - 2016-01-25 21:42:57 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Its kinda lame that NPCs are building the first ones :/


Only the Astrohus and only a prototype. Players will be the first to build the non prototype Astrohus and also the first ever Keepstar and Fortizar :)

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